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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

bcobbdeacs said:
Well apparently employers are having difficulty hiring in the states that eliminated the extra unemployment benefits also. Maybe it is something else. This comes from a conservative national economist and financial advisor.
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Well in those states, some of their customers are losing $300/week, some of which was going towards their businesses.
 
BiffTannen said:
So I guess we'll just keep paying them until they decide to get the vaccine ? You realize it's some of the same people right ?
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Obviously we won’t pay them for ever, but it was good policy while the vaccine was still being distributed and it is now being phased out. Early July was the time frame for hitting 70% vaccinated so phasing out the extra benefits a month or so after that seems reasonable.
 
bcobbdeacs said:
Well apparently employers are having difficulty hiring in the states that eliminated the extra unemployment benefits also. Maybe it is something else. This comes from a conservative national economist and financial advisor.
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Paul Krugman??
 
Nope.

“Americans are going back to work at a faster clip — and getting paid more to do so.”

And that even includes people who quit their jobs.

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A hot labor market, and perhaps a rethinking of personal priorities after COVID-19, has led many Americans to leave their jobs and look for higher-paying or more satisfying work elsewhere. In June, 942,000 people were unemployed because they voluntarily left their old employer. That was up 21% from 778,000 in May, and it’s the highest such monthly figure since 2016.

“Workers clearly know that they are in the driver’s seat right now, and many appear willing to walk away from their current position before they have even a new job lined up,” says Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Amherst Pierpont Securities.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyl...mic-business-c3f1e519ada8bf7b83c07d3c87a89df8
 
PhDeac said:
Nope.

“Americans are going back to work at a faster clip — and getting paid more to do so.”

And that even includes people who quit their jobs.

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A hot labor market, and perhaps a rethinking of personal priorities after COVID-19, has led many Americans to leave their jobs and look for higher-paying or more satisfying work elsewhere. In June, 942,000 people were unemployed because they voluntarily left their old employer. That was up 21% from 778,000 in May, and it’s the highest such monthly figure since 2016.

“Workers clearly know that they are in the driver’s seat right now, and many appear willing to walk away from their current position before they have even a new job lined up,” says Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Amherst Pierpont Securities.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyl...mic-business-c3f1e519ada8bf7b83c07d3c87a89df8
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Except we definitely are.

NBC News reported in early May 2021, “The U.S. economy gained 266,000 jobs last month, far short of the more than 1 million economic analysts predicted. … Economists had expected to see the jobs market power back in April as millions of recently vaccinated Americans started returning to activities like traveling and dining out.”
“Some economists say employers, particularly in the restaurant and entertainment industry, have been struggling to find workers because Biden’s relief package which included extended pandemic benefits for the unemployed, is deterring some workers from returning to their old job or seeking out a new position,” NBC News noted, adding, “Bank of America estimates that for those who were earning less than $32,000 a year before the pandemic, unemployment pays more than their former job. And, the bank estimates, that could keep 1 million people out of the workforce.”
 
Maybe it says something about businesses not paying enough. Raise wages, get more employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/10/worker-shortage-raising-wages/

The job posting for scoopers — $7.25 an hour plus tips — did not produce a single application between January and March.
So owner Jacob Hanchar decided to more than double the starting wage to $15 an hour, plus tips, “just to see what would happen.”
The shop was suddenly flooded with applications. More than 1,000 piled in over the course of a week.
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WokeandBroke said:
Except we definitely are.

NBC News reported in early May 2021, “The U.S. economy gained 266,000 jobs last month, far short of the more than 1 million economic analysts predicted. … Economists had expected to see the jobs market power back in April as millions of recently vaccinated Americans started returning to activities like traveling and dining out.”
“Some economists say employers, particularly in the restaurant and entertainment industry, have been struggling to find workers because Biden’s relief package which included extended pandemic benefits for the unemployed, is deterring some workers from returning to their old job or seeking out a new position,” NBC News noted, adding, “Bank of America estimates that for those who were earning less than $32,000 a year before the pandemic, unemployment pays more than their former job. And, the bank estimates, that could keep 1 million people out of the workforce.”
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Well, several things
1 You are giving April numbers, catch up man
2you are quoting a lame steam media source, thought you guys didn’t buy their shill
3 For someone who purports to deal in facts you are buying the opinion of an unnamed source with no documentation to back it up
4 I can calculate what people are getting in unemployment as easily as BAC can and while I thought this would deter some employees it does not seem to be what is going on:
Some employees are still afraid of pandemic
There have been 80000 new businesses started since pandemic taking those workers out of the pool
It is an employees market, they can wait for better offer
 
BarcaDeac said:
Maybe it says something about businesses not paying enough. Raise wages, get more employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/10/worker-shortage-raising-wages/
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I think that's great. If customers will pay that wage and people will agree to work for it, great outcome. I share your hope that this continues.

The trouble comes when customers don't pay the wage, or when that wage is fixed by some third party to the transaction, which denies both of them their choice.
 
WokeandBroke said:
I think that's great. If customers will pay that wage and people will agree to work for it, great outcome. I share your hope that this continues.

The trouble comes when customers don't pay the wage, or when that wage is fixed by some third party to the transaction, which denies both of them their choice.
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If your business model is dependent on paying employees minimum wage or just above it, your business sucks and should be reevaluated or close
 
This guy really pulled out the April jobs report to refute the June report. His brain is broken.

It’s been clear for awhile that the job numbers are going to be much stronger in the Fall. Kids go back to school so people have free child care. People will have taken long delayed vacations.

It’s good for workers to have more options. How cruel do you have to be to think it’s bad for workers to quit their jobs because they know they can get a better job? The only “victims” are employers who offer bad jobs. This is how a free market is supposed to work.
 
PhDeac said:
This guy really pulled out the April jobs report to refute the June report. His brain is broken.

It’s been clear for awhile that the job numbers are going to be much stronger in the Fall. Kids go back to school so people have free child care. People will have taken long delayed vacations.

It’s good for workers to have more options. How cruel do you have to be to think it’s bad for workers to quit their jobs because they know they can get a better job? The only “victims” are employers who offer bad jobs. This is how a free market is supposed to work.
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The April report showed they fell almost 750k jobs short of estimates. June showed growth of 850. Perhaps we shouldn't complete a health assessment of our economy based on a cherrypicked report from small sample size deac but stay undefeated I guess.
 
oh yes we all know how much you dislike cherrypicked data
 
Your brain is broken if you think the latest report is cherry picked small sample size nonsense but the report from two months is indicative of what’s happening right now.

General jobs report pet peeve: A jobs report isn’t bad because it fell short of economist projections. It’s not good because it surpassed projections. The jobs report is what it is. The economists were simply wrong. If economists keep missing their projections, perhaps we should stop listening to them.
 
WokeandBroke said:
The April report showed they fell almost 750k jobs short of estimates. June showed growth of 850. Perhaps we shouldn't complete a health assessment of our economy based on a cherrypicked report from small sample size deac but stay undefeated I guess.
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Love this phrasing “fell almost 750k” …it’s almost as if you’re trying to mislead your audience.
 
Ho boy….


I-95 Partially Closed For Hours After Police Standoff With Armed Men


Eleven people were taken into custody Saturday after an hours-long standoff with police early Saturday outside Boston.

While police engaged in negotiation, members of the group engaged the public on social media, saying their group was called "Rise of the Moors."

The heavily armed men were said to be driving from Rhode Island to Maine for "training."

The incident started around 1:30 a.m., when state police noticed two cars stopped at the side of I-95 near Wakefield, Mass., apparently out of fuel. As troopers stopped to assist, they noticed that some individuals near the cars had "military-style" gear, and were carrying long guns and pistols, Massachusetts State Police Col. Christopher Mason told reporters.

"You can imagine 11 armed individuals standing with long guns slung on an interstate highway at 2 in the morning certainly raises concerns and is not consistent with the firearms laws that we have in Massachusetts," Mason said.

Police requested backup, and thus began a standoff that lasted several hours. The men refused to lower their weapons, saying that they "don't recognize our laws," police said. Some of the armed men fled into a nearby wooded area, police said, and a portion of I-95 was closed for several hours...


… The same man appearing to be Bey said in a later video: "They keep portraying us as being anti-government, but we're not anti-government at all."

The group's website lists Bey as a leader of the "Rhode Island State Republic and Providence Plantations." According to the site, Bey served in the military for four years, some or all of that time in the Marines, after which he began studying "Moorish Science."

That website, "Rise of the Moors," explains that Moors are not "sovereign citizens" because "sovereignty does not stand alone," but can rather be considered synonymous with "nationality."

"The record show that the Moors are the organic or original sovereigns of this land — America," the FAQ says. "When we declare our nationality as Moorish Americans we are taking back the position as the aboriginal people of the land, to which the sovereign power is vested in."

Bey's group may be associated with the Moorish sovereign citizen movement, which the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes as an offshoot of the antigovernment sovereign citizens movement. Moorish sovereigns "have come into conflict with federal and state authorities over their refusal to obey laws and government regulations," SPLC writes.

"The Moorish Sovereign movement is a rapidly growing group of people who believe that they belong to a sovereign nation that has a treaty with the US but otherwise operates outside of the federal and state laws," JJ MacNab, a fellow at George Washington University's Program on Extremism, explained on Twitter.

"They rely on an alternative history that borrows from Moorish Science Temple, Black Hebrew Israelism, Nation of Islam, UFO theories, phony Native American tribes, and the pseudo-legal arguments crafted by white supremacist 'patriot' groups in the 1970s," MacNab said.
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