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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

IamThunderbolt said:
Pulling this over here.

Would love to hear @myDeaconmyhand talk through why he prefers communism to socialism.
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When i’m being informal I use the terms interchangeably. I am really only educated in Marxism, and from that perspective I understand socialism as an economic theory that requires a powerful central government, where I believe Communism is a stateless, borderless global utopia with socialism as a prerequisite.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
When i’m being informal I use the terms interchangeably. I am really only educated in Marxism, and from that perspective I understand socialism as an economic theory that requires a powerful central government, where I believe Communism is a stateless, borderless global utopia with socialism as a prerequisite.
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This is too lazy of an excuse to justify being Anti-American.
 
Mt. Olive said:
It was moved over here because of your previous response elsewhere. If I read that wrong then my bad.
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IamThunderbolt asked me why I preferred Communism over Socialism, that’s what I was answering. They aren’t analogous to me, so I don’t rank them.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
When i’m being informal I use the terms interchangeably. I am really only educated in Marxism, and from that perspective I understand socialism as an economic theory that requires a powerful central government, where I believe Communism is a stateless, borderless global utopia with socialism as a prerequisite.
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For me I think the difference is the ownership of private property. I don’t trust a government made out of people to mete out resources equitably, so I don’t love communism. I think Socialism does a better job of ensuring equity while staving off the inevitable violent revolution of communism.

Both in their pure forms are probably a bit idealistic. I think collectivism works really well within community, whether there is co-ownership of property or individual property. But I don’t necessarily think it is scalable to the level of state or nation.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
IamThunderbolt asked me why I preferred Communism over Socialism, that’s what I was answering. They aren’t analogous to me, so I don’t rank them.
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Sounds good. My bad. Anti-American statement triggered me.
 
not a response to IaT, but I have a harder time accepting the criticism of socialism as inviting corruption in government when it’s widely accepted and ignored under our mixed capitalism system that congress and presidents become exorbitantly rich while in office.
 
wakephan09 said:
Isn't this more reason to prefer one to the other?
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I don’t claim to be an academic in the topic, but in my understanding, one of them is a readily applicable economic system, while the other is utopian(fantastical) global government. I don’t rank them because l don’t give any serious consideration to Communism - I don’t believe its possible based on my limited understanding of it. It’s like choosing between heaven or Disneyland.
 
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Seems weird to pick something with zero ability to be implemented while also being self aware enough to realize that.
 
I’m a socialist. FDR was a Democrat (similar to our current batch of progressives in Washington). Democrats legislate like 1990s moderates. Republicans are neo-fascists and anarcho -capitalists. The only thing preventing massive voter re-alignment is team affiliation/mainstream political culture.
 
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