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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

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But, most importantly, the Trump campaign wanted a spot with easy access to an I-95 off-ramp. Four Seasons Total Landscaping, which also said the campaign was looking for a site with a convenient I-95 off-ramp and a gate, did offer that amenity. It turns out the location was chosen for no other reason than Rudy Giuliani wanting to spend as little time in Philadelphia as possible before being driven back to New York.

This is basically what the New York Times reported. Trump did think the press conference was at the Four Seasons hotel, which is why he tweeted it initially. It would be tremendously funny if the campaign booked a Four Seasons for the press conference, only to find out it was a landscaping business instead of a hotel. But honestly, that they booked the yard of a landscaping company intentionally, just so that Rudy Giuliani didn’t have to spend too much time in the car before and after making baseless accusations of voter fraud? That’s even funnier—and a fitting end to the Trump presidency.
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https://defector.com/the-trump-presidency-ended-next-to-a-porno-shop/
 
Not to derail topic, but was wondering who would win in a general election: peak obama(2008) or peak trump (2016)?
 
DeacOnCapeCod said:
Not to derail topic, but was wondering who would win in a general election: peak obama(2008) or peak trump (2016)?
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Is that a serious question? It would be a massive blowout. Obama won Florida, Ohio, and Iowa.
 
PhDeac said:
Is that a serious question? It would be a massive blowout. Obama won Florida, Ohio, and Iowa.
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Semi serious...Obama had a huge wave of popularity but Trump had that crazy/x-factor. You couldn't pick 2 more polar candidates and i believe the voter turnout would be incredible
 
Obama overwhelmingly won the popular vote twice. Trump lost it twice.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Why would I be upset? I’ve been watching Dave Chapelle since I was 12. I once paid 50 bucks to sit in the very back row of the balcony to see him on his comeback tour. Nothing he said in his monologue surprised me - he rips on everyone pretty equally. I was a lot more disappointed in his Netflix special standup jokes about trans people.
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Did you watch the "secret" ending? If i recall correctly I missed it and felt something similar and revisited the ending a few days later after finding out about it. Felt a little differently afterwards.
 
deaconson said:
Did you watch the "secret" ending? If i recall correctly I missed it and felt something similar and revisited the ending a few days later after finding out about it. Felt a little differently afterwards.
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No I didn’t, I’ll have to revisit. The material seemed really hack as I remember.I’m not accustomed to seeing him punch down.
 
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I don’t really care for “democratic socialist” in general, and don’t really think Waleed should attribute it to Dubois. Cleaver went on Fox News and spouted similar shit.
 
MHBDemon said:
I don’t really care for “democratic socialist” in general, and don’t really think Waleed should attribute it to Dubois. Cleaver went on Fox News and spouted similar shit.
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Do you think there's room for a rebrand that can push forward ideas that a lot of people already support (i.e. $15 minimum wage) and build a coalition around ideas more people would support if they were presented fairly in the public discourse (i.e. abolishing ICE, defunding police)?
 
PhDeac said:
Do you think there's room for a rebrand that can push forward ideas that a lot of people already support (i.e. $15 minimum wage) and build a coalition around ideas more people would support if they were presented fairly in the public discourse (i.e. abolishing ICE, defunding police)?
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Well, that’s difficult, as all the language pertaining to leftist solidarity gets immediately spun by liberals into meaning exclusively white: “Labor,” “working class”, “blue collar” “populist” - Just white people shit. It’s almost as if the Democratic Party can’t abide a political movement it doesn’t control, so it portrays any effort towards class solidarity as anti-black.
 
PhDeac said:
Do you think there's room for a rebrand that can push forward ideas that a lot of people already support (i.e. $15 minimum wage) and build a coalition around ideas more people would support if they were presented fairly in the public discourse (i.e. abolishing ICE, defunding police)?
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I think there are terms certainly, Social liberalism for one. Socialism is a part of what you laid out but Is not defined by those policies. It’s like saying a parallelogram is a square, it’s not honest or productive messaging.
 
I’ve lost hope of a class revolution, but what lifts my spirits is that any day now, Dow Chemical and Tyler Perry studios will collaborate to give $5000 grants to the top 3 under privileged middle schools that produce the winning (as chosen by you, the voters!) Tik Tik videos about the immigrant crisis at the border.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
Well, that’s difficult, as all the language pertaining to leftist solidarity gets immediately spun by liberals into meaning exclusively white: “Labor,” “working class”, “blue collar” “populist” - Just white people shit. It’s almost as if the Democratic Party can’t abide a political movement it doesn’t control, so it portrays any effort towards class solidarity as anti-black.
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Damn good point. This is a problem that requires creating a new language for a multicultural class solidarity.

I've made the point that Republicans have superior messaging at every level including the MAGA slogan and hats. The only thing the left has that comparable to that is BLM. Slogan, apparel, chants, etc. That's it. Democrats really need to lean hard into it.

By the way, "can’t abide a political movement it doesn’t control" is my running theory for the racial catfishing going on in academia and social movements. It's white people who want to be part of the solution, but can't stand not being at the center of the movement. So they claim to be something they’re not.
 
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PhDeac said:
Damn good point. This is a problem that requires creating a new language for a multicultural class solidarity.

I've made the point that Republicans have superior messaging at every level including the MAGA slogan and hats. The only thing the left has that comparable to that is BLM. Slogan, apparel, chants, etc. That's it. Democrats really need to lean hard into it.

By the way, "can’t abide a political movement it doesn’t control" is my running theory for the racial catfishing going on in academia and social movements. It's white people who want to be part of the solution, but can't stand not being at the center of the movement. So they claim to be something they’re not.
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Yeah. I fully acknowledge that xenophobia and racism are a major widespread problem with undereducated whites. Working class whites racists absolutely impede and resist racial solidarity, but I also believe that American liberalism exacerbates cultural divisions of the working class through elitism, even discouraging the effort of class organization.
 
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I can’t tell you how many white liberals I’ve met online who have talked shit about DSA as being a whites only organization. The implication being that any progressive movement or opinion that’s critical of the Democratic Party is anti-black. We canvassed black neighborhoods in Winston, organized housing and incarceration working groups focused on the black community. Coincidentally, we received the most support from older black political activists with connections to the radical civil rights movement. What we’ve heard from John Kasich, Spanaberger, Conor Lamb, Claire McCaskill is highly demonstrative of the neoliberal project since Reagan - to deradicalize and mute the civil rights movement, to erase the political aspirations of black icons and reinvent them as cultural warriors instead. They would confine the American progressive movement to the terms set by the most conservative white Democrats. Not going to happen.
 
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DeacOnCapeCod said:
Semi serious...Obama had a huge wave of popularity but Trump had that crazy/x-factor. You couldn't pick 2 more polar candidates and i believe the voter turnout would be incredible
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It depends on who preceded the election. No disrespect to Obama, but part of his massive popularity in 2008 was because we had suffered through 8 years of Bush’s lies and wars and lopsided economy.
 
redwing42 said:
I thought that they were talking Yang for Commerce for a bit, but I could just be making that up.
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If I recall from one of Yang's podcasts over the summer he mentioned that Joe and he had discussed creation of a new cabinet position - something like Secretary for Innovation and Technology.
 
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