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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

awaken said:
So much this. Excellent post.

You'd think every SEC graduate runs a successful car dealership with unlimited funds to pour into their SEC alma mater, and UNC, Duke, Wake, UVa are graduating assistant managers at the Auto Zone. The difference between the SEC and the ACC is the willingness to buy recruits - previously under the table, now with NIL above the table. With NIL, the ACC should also be willing. The ACC schools should be very capable to adjust to the new landscape if they choose. We already know UNC is.

We're talking about Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana here, people. These are the folks who won't get a free Covid vaccine. And we're afraid to compete with them? If Saban dies or leaves, Alabama returns to the field just like FSU, VT, Miami did after they lost their legendary coaches. No one should be making long term plans around Nick Saban.
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This is so true. Wake alums are still adjusting—decades late—to the reality that ticket scalping is legal. It will be far too late when we realize we should pay players.
 
All this talk questioning what makes the SEC special misses perhaps the most important thing. The SEC is far better at the business end of sports. Swofford and the ACC ADs got absolutely worked.
dcnelso said:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article253041348.html
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Good article. The ACC is stuck. There’s no simple way out. The 12 team CFP sealed a future in which ND doesn’t need the ACC and the SEC will put 3-5 teams in the postseason every year. ESPN and the SEC are pulling the ACC by a leash Swofford designed.
 
PhDeac said:
All this talk questioning what makes the SEC special misses perhaps the most important thing. The SEC is far better at the business end of sports. Swofford and the ACC ADs got absolutely worked.


Good article. The ACC is stuck. There’s no simple way out. The 12 team CFP sealed a future in which ND doesn’t need the ACC and the SEC will put 3-5 teams in the postseason every year. ESPN and the SEC are pulling the ACC by a leash Swofford designed.
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I think saying the ACC got worked is just wrong. It's more a function of large state schools that have large alumni bases and have large stadiums to fill with lots of tickets.
 
MichDeac25 said:
I think saying the ACC got worked is just wrong. It's more a function of large state schools that have large alumni bases and have large stadiums to fill with lots of tickets.
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LOL. That’s LOWF nonsense at the conference level. UCF and Georgia State have the 1st and 5th largest enrollments in the country. Just add them to the ACC is conference success is just a factor of having large state schools with large alumni bases.
 
MichDeac25 said:
lol wut.
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You’re the one who said the SEC only excelled because of large public schools. If it was that simple the ACC could just add the two largest schools that aren’t already in Power 5 conferences.

Clearly that’s not it. The SEC worked the ACC.
 
The article states that the SEC and Big Ten are full of larger state schools with more alumni and greater football history and brand than the ACC. That’s what is perpetuating the income gap. The only way the ACC could possibly make inroads is to add ND, but he’s right that there’s no reason why ND should join the ACC. Swofford got played by the Irish on this whole arrangement — ND gets access to the entire ACC for all of the sports nobody watches, and the ACC gets to schedule a few foot ball games with ND has to be the worst deal any conference commissioner ever made, except whatever deal ultimately leads to the collapse of his conference.

Sankey has got the entire college football world by the balls, while every other conference (except the eviscerated Big XII) has a new commissioner. Phillips is backed into a corner with the ND mess and has no other options, but to try to add ND with no leverage and to try to protect his most marketable schools from being poached. Kevin Warren is a straight up spineless moron who will do whatever tOSU tells him to do and the B1G could add a couple of teams and a little geography, but it won’t move the needle for football, no matter how great you think ISU is. The PAC 12 is an incredible mess and is in a much worse revenue/expense situation than the ACC, but George Kliakoff, for some reason has stated that the conference won’t go after the remnants of the Big XII, and his network is a joke, even compared to the ACC network.
 
The PAC 12 has the highest overhead as a percentage of revenue of any of the P5 conferences. Their offices are in San Francisco, while the ACC has offices in fucking Greensboro, and the SEC has offices in Birmingham. The B1G is in Rosemont, IL.
 
I kind of like the SEC and ACC merger idea but it really doesn't seem likely at all.
 
Yeah. There’s no reason for the SEC to merge with the ACC.
 
PhDeac said:
All this talk questioning what makes the SEC special misses perhaps the most important thing. The SEC is far better at the business end of sports. Swofford and the ACC ADs got absolutely worked.


Good article. The ACC is stuck. There’s no simple way out. The 12 team CFP sealed a future in which ND doesn’t need the ACC and the SEC will put 3-5 teams in the postseason every year. ESPN and the SEC are pulling the ACC by a leash Swofford designed.
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Swofford's a goat. Makes sense.
 
BiffTannen said:
The PAC 12 has the highest overhead as a percentage of revenue of any of the P5 conferences. Their offices are in San Francisco, while the ACC has offices in fucking Greensboro, and the SEC has offices in Birmingham. The B1G is in Rosemont, IL.
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The Big 12 headquarters is an old Wells Fargo branch off the highway in Irving (sadly they dont do tours for some reason).
 
BiffTannen said:
LoL. Yeah, then we can all work for Ohio State !
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You mean the school that threatened to leave the B1G last year with Nebraska, of all schools?

Very interested to know if the rumors about the SEC contacting tOSU, Michigan, Clemson, & FSU are real.
 
As angst-ridden as our fan base and presumably at some level our AD and admin. are over this stuff, I can't imagine what is going on behind the scenes at places like APP and Marshall where football is a huge deal but they have basically zero leverage. Not sure what if any "proactive'" steps they can take.
 
BiffTannen said:
The PAC 12 has the highest overhead as a percentage of revenue of any of the P5 conferences. Their offices are in San Francisco, while the ACC has offices in fucking Greensboro, and the SEC has offices in Birmingham. The B1G is in Rosemont, IL.
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Larry Scott was rightfully skewered for his office location and the high rent associated with it. I am guessing it will be move soon.
 
tigerswood said:
You mean the school that threatened to leave the B1G last year with Nebraska, of all schools?

Very interested to know if the rumors about the SEC contacting tOSU, Michigan, Clemson, & FSU are real.
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Yeah, the school that got the rules changed by the conference in its favor twice last year.
 
DownEastDeac said:
As angst-ridden as our fan base and presumably at some level our AD and admin. are over this stuff, I can't imagine what is going on behind the scenes at places like APP and Marshall where football is a huge deal but they have basically zero leverage. Not sure what if any "proactive'" steps they can take.
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Not much will change for them. They weren’t P5. This is a P5 breakup that will impact the have nots at the top level. It could benefit good stable programs like App.
 
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