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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

warak said:
Honestly…I am on my phone but are they the schools with the highest student population?
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It's not that hard. Winning in the last handful of years has close to nothing to do with your value. Wake has recently been twice the program VT has been in the only sport that matters to the future of athletics (football), but because VT has a bigger alumni base and fanbase, VT is twice as valuable as Wake if not more. Nebraska and Texas are garbage but are both at least 10 times as valuable as Wake. Wake is comparable to App, Duke, Coastal Carolina, etc. as a football brand and sine only football and its money matter, in a few years we will likely be in a conference with App, Coastal, and Duke. You can thank Disney, FOX and corporate greed once again for ruining a great cultural institution such as collegiate athletics.
 
morrison2951 said:
This. Wake has beaten the crap out of the "magnificent 7" and has the 2nd longest bowl game streak to clem's son.

Good riddance to them.
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Bragging about a bowl streak is like bragging about getting a participation trophy. Wake has a staggering one winning record in conference play under Clawson so I think it's safe to say we're not beating the crap out of anyone. But more importantly, it literally doesn't matter. FSU could never make a bowl again and will always be a more valuable brand than Wake Forest. Should that matter? No, but since nobody seems to want to speak up against greed running sports, it does matter. When the split becomes formal and Wake is no longer in the top division of "college" athletics, I am curious what happens to all of the money that has been pumped into Wake football. Hopefully McCreary decides to lower tuition for kids instead of helping us beat other division 2 schools.
 
BiffTannen said:
G5 schools have some pretty nice facilities too.
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When the top 40ish brands leave the NCAA altogether, the lack of bowl payouts and NCAA tournament revenue will change that and G5 will likely look a lot more like FCS than what it does now if I had to guess. In the financial sense, all schools and sports that are not football at about 40 institutions are deadweight. I expect Disney and FOX to continue working together with those "schools" to formally cut all of the deadweight institutions out of the picture to maximize the payout for each valuable school (current B10 and SEC plus Oregon, Washington, those 7 ACC schools, and Notre Dame).
 
NJDeac’22 said:
When the top 40ish brands leave the NCAA altogether, the lack of bowl payouts and NCAA tournament revenue will change that and G5 will likely look a lot more like FCS than what it does now if I had to guess. In the financial sense, all schools and sports that are not football at about 40 institutions are deadweight. I expect Disney and FOX to continue working together with those "schools" to formally cut all of the deadweight institutions out of the picture to maximize the payout for each valuable school (current B10 and SEC plus Oregon, Washington, those 7 ACC schools, and Notre Dame).
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northwestern and vandy are valuable schools??!
 
morrison2951 said:
northwestern and vandy are valuable schools??!
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No, but they're already in those conferences and they're going to be pulled along (at least for now). If Wake just so happened to be in the SEC instead of Vandy Wake would be pulled along too. Those schools were in those conferences long before TV conglomerates decided the landscape of collegiate athletics, and if that wasn't the case they would be nowhere near those leagues.
 
I recall a tailgate several years ago when I mentioned I feared Wake's future given the football factories and their influence. Another tailgater basically got in my face and said, "Wake is a charter member of the ACC. They aren't going ANYWHERE."

Welp. Here we are. Reminds me of Rice. Yep. They remained members of the SWC for a while. Only problem is everyone else left town.
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Scroll back a few pages and find all you geniuses telling me why the ACC will last forever. Looks like I'm right about something here, not that this wasn't obvious starting almost a decade ago.
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Lots of people on this board have seen trouble brewing for the ACC

But since we’re talking about how often you’re right, tell us more about Bobi coming back, and Forbes recruiting not in case of a Bobi contingency, but expressly to push a player out. Just like Clawson pushed that DB out. Genius.
 
TheAbster said:
I recall a tailgate several years ago when I mentioned I feared Wake's future given the football factories and their influence. Another tailgater basically got in my face and said, "Wake is a charter member of the ACC. They aren't going ANYWHERE."

Welp. Here we are. Reminds me of Rice. Yep. They remained members of the SWC for a while. Only problem is everyone else left town.
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Where are we exactly?
 
Interesting unsubstantiated rumor from the reddit thread. Probably not true, but fun to imagine.
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thatguy2016 said:
Lots of people on this board have seen trouble brewing for the ACC

But since we’re talking about how often you’re right, tell us more about Bobi coming back, and Forbes recruiting not in case of a Bobi contingency, but expressly to push a player out. Just like Clawson pushed that DB out. Genius.
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[GalaxyBrain]Forbes pushed Bobi out to make room on the roster.[/GalaxyBrain]
 
The seven schools can fuss. But at the end of the meetings, I don't expect much to change. Equal revenue sharing has been one of the things conferences do. Those that didn't (most recently Big 12) had break up issues.

Re-alignment will only happen if there is money to make it worthwhile. Diamond Sports/Bally regional networks are in bankruptcy. Added spending from them is unlikely until the bankruptcy is finished.

ESPN/ABC/Disney is cutting costs. Why would they pay more for the schools currently in the ACC to be in the SEC?

Fox has indicated they aren't really interested in increasing the payout unless the income side (via carriage fees etc.) goes up. All seven schools don't move that needle for Fox.

Neither of the other two major network brands (CBS and NBC) have shown much interest in bidding for college football when they had opportunities.

The Athletic had a Philadelphia contracts specialist attorney reviewed the Grant of Rights documents from ACC and Big 12 a year ago. His conclusion was that they would be extremely difficult to break.

No one has provided a good source for the "eight votes dissolves the ACC" position. It may well take a 2/3 (10) or 3/4 (12) super majority.

This issue provides writers something to do. It doesn't seem rational for a majority of the members of the ACC to vote to take money from their pockets and give it to a few who claim they bring "greater value" to the conference.

Perhaps a majority could vote to reduce the shares of a minority of the conference members. That would have massive negative implications for the conference.
 
Can we agree that bowl games probably aren’t going away in the new conference era?

Are they more likely to take a 2-8 mississippi atate or virginia team from one of the big TV conferences or a 9 win team from the second tier ACC?

The thing that seems lost in all these discussions about realignment is that competitive balance has always been and will remain a myth. Assume nc state ends up in the Fox Corp. conference, do we suddenly think they are challenging ohio state for the top spot? They likely finish around .500 every few years and get their shit This pushed in by the teams with much bigger pockets. Just look at maryland. Their games are like mausoleums,’but they have cash to spend at off debts from a poorly managed stadium expansion so yay team.

TLDR most of these teams think more money makes them Alabama but there will be more vanderbilts than alabamas.
 
I also think the next step phase will be unequal revenue sharing in the big conferences.
 
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