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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

Pilchard said:
It could, but today's ruling was made in NC state court and Clemson's suit was filed in SC state court. So, technically, the SC court is not bound by the ruling of the NC court, particularly if any of the issues raised in the Clemson suit would be decided by applying SC law, but as a general proposition, courts don't like to decide something that another court already decided. So, the answer is a luke-warm maybe.

Probably the best news from the ruling is that FSU and Clemson (and any other school thinking of leaving the conference) will be unlikely to have any clarity on what it will owe the ACC if withdraws from the conference this August. So, that might have a chilling effect on FSU's or any other school's decision to withdraw before the lawsuits are further down the road. My wild-ass and probably wrong guess is that FSU will file a notice to withdraw from the ACC before August 15, and Clemson will not. Clemson seems happy enough to let FSU go first in all of this, take all of the hits and assess the repercussions.
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I think FSU should constrict their student base to pay the $450 million. Build roads and stuff.
 
Pilchard said:
It could, but today's ruling was made in NC state court and Clemson's suit was filed in SC state court. So, technically, the SC court is not bound by the ruling of the NC court, particularly if any of the issues raised in the Clemson suit would be decided by applying SC law, but as a general proposition, courts don't like to decide something that another court already decided. So, the answer is a luke-warm maybe.

Probably the best news from the ruling is that FSU and Clemson (and any other school thinking of leaving the conference) will be unlikely to have any clarity on what it will owe the ACC if withdraws from the conference this August. So, that might have a chilling effect on FSU's or any other school's decision to withdraw before the lawsuits are further down the road. My wild-ass and probably wrong guess is that FSU will file a notice to withdraw from the ACC before August 15, and Clemson will not. Clemson seems happy enough to let FSU go first in all of this, take all of the hits and assess the repercussions.
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Thanks, I couldn't remember where FSU filed suit. Clemson filed in the SC county where Clemson is located - it will be interesting to see the judge's background.
 
Buttermaker said:
Thanks, I couldn't remember where FSU filed suit. Clemson filed in the SC county where Clemson is located - it will be interesting to see the judge's background.
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FSU filed in Leon County FL (Tallahassee). The ACC filed in NC preemptively against FSU - this is the case in which today’s decision came down. The ACC also filed in NC against Clemson in response to Clemson’s suit in SC. Lots of competing suits in various jurisdictions out there.
 
Wakelaw2006 said:
FSU filed in Leon County FL (Tallahassee). The ACC filed in NC preemptively against FSU - this is the case in which today’s decision came down. The ACC also filed in NC against Clemson in response to Clemson’s suit in SC. Lots of competing suits in various jurisdictions out there.
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Good day at the office if you're an attorney billing by the hour.
 
CaptRenault said:
businessnc.com

ACC's Jim Phillips plays catch-up amid a money explosion and conference shakeups - Business North Carolina

The Atlantic Coast Conference may rank first in academic prestige for its 15 universities, particularly with Stanford University and the...
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l don’t think most agree that the next Big 10 and SEC deals will be even bigger either. The ACC is easily positioned as the third-most profitable, which is plenty of money to be successful. But…greed.
 
deacdixieboy said:
l don’t think most agree that the next Big 10 and SEC deals will be even bigger either. The ACC is easily positioned as the third-most profitable, which is plenty of money to be successful. But…greed.
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I think greed is certainly a big part of it. Another really big part is excuses for lack of success from ADs and coaches.
 
deacdixieboy said:
l don’t think most agree that the next Big 10 and SEC deals will be even bigger either. The ACC is easily positioned as the third-most profitable, which is plenty of money to be successful. But…greed.
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Ehh, it's also positioning themselves to compete at the highest level. Those dollars are going to be turned into coaches salaries, facilities, and payments to players (eventually). Major league versus minor league.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Ehh, it's also positioning themselves to compete at the highest level. Those dollars are going to be turned into coaches salaries, facilities, and payments to players (eventually). Major league versus minor league.
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Sure. And these departments rarely have accountability for running huge deficits and reckless coaching contracts. That spending will only get worse with more people to spend it on. There’s never enough money for those who are terrible at managing it.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Ehh, it's also positioning themselves to compete at the highest level. Those dollars are going to be turned into coaches salaries, facilities, and payments to players (eventually). Major league versus minor league.
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They are already competing at the highest level. It's all about greed and making sure others don't reach their level.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Ehh, it's also positioning themselves to compete at the highest level. Those dollars are going to be turned into coaches salaries, facilities, and payments to players (eventually). Major league versus minor league.
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There are a finite number of coaches and college athletes. In addition, there is a point where facilities are as good as they can be. Some kid isn’t going to go ride the pine at Illinois instead of playing at Clemson. Some coach isn’t going to go be the DL coach at Missouri instead of the Head Coach at Pittsburgh. Coaches and players tend to bet on themselves.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Ehh, it's also positioning themselves to compete at the highest level. Those dollars are going to be turned into coaches salaries, facilities, and payments to players (eventually). Major league versus minor league.
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People say that, but why hasn't the money translated into a non-traditional power in the SEC or Big 10 emerging?

tOSU, Michigan, Bama, LSU, UGA were competing on the highest football level before the latest round of realignment and supposedly this big cash infusion. The same teams are stuck in mediocrity (Kentucky, Arkansas, Miss. State, South Carolina, Minnesota, Purdue, Nebraska). There is no evidence that SEC or Big 10 money or notoriety has brought schools that previously were a level below to a prominent level. College football has stayed the same as it was before this new world where SEC schools or Big 10 schools supposedly have this big edge.

Still think that Clemson, FSU, TCU or other teams in the ACC and Big 12 have a better chance of emerging in their current conferences than they do moving to the Big Two. As example, it will be a long time, if ever, that Washington plays in college football national championship again now that they have moved to the Big 10. Similarly, Oklahoma played in at least the college football playoff semifinal four times in five years from 2016 through 2020, that's not happening now with OU in the SEC.
 
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Pilchard said:
People say that, but why hasn't the money translated into a non-traditional power in the SEC or Big 10 emerging?

tOSU, Michigan, Bama, LSU, UGA were competing on the highest football level before the latest round of realignment and supposedly this big cash infusion. The same teams are stuck in mediocrity (Kentucky, Arkansas, Miss. State, South Carolina, Minnesota, Purdue, Nebraska). There is no evidence that SEC or Big 10 money or notoriety has brought schools that previously were a level below to a prominent level. College football has stayed the same as it was before this new world where SEC schools or Big 10 schools supposedly have this big edge.

Still think that Clemson, FSU, TCU or other teams in the ACC and Big 12 have a better chance of emerging in their current conferences than they do moving to the Big Two. As example, it will be a long time, if ever, that Washington plays in college football national championship again now that they have moved to the Big 10. Similarly, Oklahoma played in at least the college football playoff semifinal four times in five years from 2016 through 2020, that's not happening now with OU in the SEC.
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We know that, how come they don't?!
 
Pilchard said:
People say that, but why hasn't the money translated into a non-traditional power in the SEC or Big 10 emerging?
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the short answer is that there has been relative parity up until now - which will not be the case moving forward.

Clemson, through IPTAY and its ACC dominance, is absolutely bringing in far more revenue than the average ACC team, which has been easily enough to give it more overall revenue than the Purdues and Northwesterns and Vanderbilts of the world.
 
thatguy2016 said:
the short answer is that there has been relative parity up until now - which will not be the case moving forward.

Clemson, through IPTAY and its ACC dominance, is absolutely bringing in far more revenue than the average ACC team, which has been easily enough to give it more overall revenue than the Purdues and Northwesterns and Vanderbilts of the world.
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I’m not sure how much relative parity there is when there have only been 15 teams that have made up the 40 spots in the CFP.


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LilburnDeac said:
I’m not sure how much relative parity there is when there have only been 15 teams that have made up the 40 spots in the CFP.


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Relative parity between the top of the ACC (Clemson) and the top of the Big Ten and SEC

Despite everyone in a conference bringing in the same conference-related revenue, there has always been and will continue to be revenue differences within conferences (Clemson makes more money than WF; ditto OSU and Northwestern)
 
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