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Coronavirus !!! Very Political Thread !!!

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Highland Deac said:
The USA is winning friends and influencing nations and peoples around the globe! Thank God that Trump isn't giving pretty much every other nation (except for Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Israel) the impression that we've become a thug nation that doesn't give a shit about them. What a great job!
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Wait, I'm confused. Is it good that we sell PPE and Equipment to other countries or bad? Cause there was some outrage a few days ago about us selling masks to other countries.
 
Highland Deac said:
The USA is winning friends and influencing nations and peoples around the globe! Thank God that Trump isn't giving pretty much every other nation (except for Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Israel) the impression that we've become a thug nation that doesn't give a shit about them. What a great job!
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I question "become" here.
 
palmab03 said:
Wait, I'm confused. Is it good that we sell PPE and Equipment to other countries or bad? Cause there was some outrage a few days ago about us selling masks to other countries.
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If we've already agreed to sell it, then yeah we probably need to go ahead and send it to them. It doesn't look very good to sell it and then refuse to deliver.
 
PhDeac said:
I question "become" here.
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I get what you're saying, but I think at least our allies didn't see us in such a negative light before Trump. He seems hellbent on alienating our friends and sucking up to our former enemies.
 
Scoop: Inside the epic White House fight over hydroxychloroquine

Jonathan Swan

The White House coronavirus task force in the briefing room
Photo: Drew Angerer/Getty Images

The White House coronavirus task force had its biggest fight yet on Saturday, pitting economic adviser Peter Navarro against infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci. At issue: How enthusiastically should the White House tout the prospects of an antimalarial drug to fight COVID-19?

Behind the scenes: This drama erupted into an epic Situation Room showdown. Trump's coronavirus task force gathered in the White House Situation Room on Saturday at about 1:30pm, according to four sources familiar with the conversation. Vice President Mike Pence sat at the head of the table.

Numerous government officials were at the table, including Fauci, coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx, Jared Kushner, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, and Commissioner of Food and Drugs Stephen Hahn.
Behind them sat staff, including Peter Navarro, tapped by Trump to compel private companies to meet the government's coronavirus needs under the Defense Production Act.
Toward the end of the meeting, Hahn began a discussion of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which Trump believes could be a "game-changer" against the coronavirus.

Hahn gave an update about the drug and what he was seeing in different trials and real-world results.
Then Navarro got up. He brought over a stack of folders and dropped them on the table. People started passing them around.

"And the first words out of his mouth are that the studies that he's seen, I believe they're mostly overseas, show 'clear therapeutic efficacy,'" said a source familiar with the conversation. "Those are the exact words out of his mouth."
Navarro's comments set off a heated exchange about how the Trump administration and the president ought to talk about the malaria drug, which Fauci and other public health officials stress is unproven to combat COVID-19.

Fauci pushed back against Navarro, saying that there was only anecdotal evidence that hydroxychloroquine works against the coronavirus.

Researchers have said studies out of France and China are inadequate because they did not include control groups.
Fauci and others have said much more data is needed to prove that hydroxychloroquine is effective against the coronavirus.
As part of his role, Navarro has been trying to source hydroxychloroquine from around the world. He's also been trying to ensure that there are enough domestic production capabilities inside the U.S.

Fauci's mention of anecdotal evidence "just set Peter off," said one of the sources. Navarro pointed to the pile of folders on the desk, which included printouts of studies on hydroxychloroquine from around the world.

Navarro said to Fauci, "That's science, not anecdote," said another of the sources.

Navarro started raising his voice, and at one point accused Fauci of objecting to Trump's travel restrictions, saying, "You were the one who early on objected to the travel restrictions with China," saying that travel restrictions don't work. (Navarro was one of the earliest to push the China travel ban.)

Fauci looked confused, according to a source in the room. After Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Fauci has publicly praised the president's restriction on travel from China.

Pence was trying to moderate the heated discussion. "It was pretty clear that everyone was just trying to get Peter to sit down and stop being so confrontational," said one of the sources.

Eventually, Kushner turned to Navarro and said, "Peter, take yes for an answer," because most everyone agreed, by that time, it was important to surge the supply of the drug to hot zones.

The principals agreed that the administration's public stance should be that the decision to use the drug is between doctors and patients.

Trump ended up announcing at his press conference that he had 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine in the Strategic National Stockpile.
Between the lines: "There has never been a confrontation in the task force meetings like the one yesterday," said a source familiar with the argument. "People speak up and there's robust debate, but there's never been a confrontation. Yesterday was the first confrontation."

In response to a request for comment on Axios' reporting, Katie Miller, a spokesperson for the vice president, said: "We don't comment on meetings in the Situation Room."

The bottom line: The way to discuss the drug's potential has become a fraught issue within the Trump administration.

Most members of the task force support a cautious approach to discussing the drug until it's proven.
Navarro, on the other hand, is convinced based on his reading that the drug works against the coronavirus and speaks about it enthusiastically.

Some of Trump's favorite TV hosts, including Fox's Sean Hannity, and friends including Rudy Giuliani, have also been touting the malaria drug for the coronavirus. Trump has made no secret who he sides with.

"What do you have to lose? Take it," the president said in a White House briefing on Saturday. "I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."
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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-h...use-01306286-0bbc-4042-9bfe-890413c6220d.html
 
Junebug said:
You might want to read the rest of the article.
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They are not the only ones. This guy is a vlogger who used to live in China and traveled the country with an Aussie buddy via motorcycle. Like many ex-pats he eventually left as the regime became more authoritarian. The CCP spends a ton of time trying to discredit him and his Aussie buddy. I used to follow his stuff back when he was on the motorcycle diaries type trips. I don't think this is conclusive but it does seem to suggest the virus may very well have escaped from a research lab in Wuhan. And all he is doing is citing what was publicly available info. in China. No suggestion whatsoever this was some sort of weapons lab. This lab just sounds like a legit research facility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU
 
Better day for the US and for New York in particular today. Day is not over but new cases in New York state are down day over day by over 1400. New cases US wide are off by about 7400 day over day. That will close up here in the next hour or two somewhat. But with Massachusetts and New Jersey putting up fewer cases day over day and New York likely doing so (they sometimes report late), it looks like some progress. It might be a bit of the Sunday effect. Also several nations in Europe lower day over day with new cases as well - although I do think some of those are Sunday effect. One not as bright spot is Japan is seeing a pretty steady rise in cases. Not yet ready to sound too many alarm bells but it has been ticking up the last week a bit. Another not so great spot was Canada reporting its highest ever single day new case total.
 
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Today is Palm Sunday. That could have an impact on raw numbers.
 
RJKarl said:
Today is Palm Sunday. That could have an impact on raw numbers.
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Agreed. But not everywhere. Japan has its second straight day with over 500 new cases. France is one place, among others, in Europe that seems to be more lax on Sundays. Ditto Belgium and Holland who normally offer up multiple updates a day but today only did a couple. In the US I don't think New York, New Jersey and a lot of the hard hit US states fail to report either. And some states are really reporting yesterday's data - like MN reports everyday at 11 am for what happened the prior day. So perhaps their data will be a bit off tomorrow, but what they reported today was legit for yesterday.
 
The image of Navarro yelling “It’s science” at Dr. Fauci is hilarious and troubling.
 
birdman said:
Now you’ve got him!
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For grits and giggles, let's say that sailor is right, Obama screwed up, and Trump didn't fix it because "who vould have seen this coming?"

That being said, what it Trump's plan going forward? How is he containing the virus? What criteria must be met to seriously consider relaxing the social distancing? What parameters must be set for opening the economy back up?

TRUMP HAS NO PLAN! It's flip-flopping nonsense based on his gut, Fox News clips, and Jared Kushner. His comments are filled with tons of qualifiers like "I've heard," "People say," "Might be," or "You never know."
 
Gotta say it’s simultaneously funny and depressing to see Trump literally selling snake oil from the podium.
 
JManslow said:
Gotta say it’s simultaneously funny and depressing to see Trump literally selling snake oil from the podium.
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At least he's got lots of company from the esteemed worthies of the Religious Right. I saw video clips earlier today of Franklin Graham (on Jeanine Pirro's show, no less) saying that the coronavirus outbreak happened because the world has turned its back on God and we are being punished for our sins, and another of Kenneth Copeland literally using his breath to blow the coronavirus away. LOL.
 
Junebug said:
National Review article citing evidence that the virus escaped from a Chinese lab.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
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Interesting that the article was written by a "senior political correspondent" and doesn't actually contain the "evidence" we were promised.

Also, I'm calling BS on the claim that "it is a remarkable coincidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was researching Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses in bats before the pandemic outbreak."
 
Highland Deac said:
At least he's got lots of company from the esteemed worthies of the Religious Right. I saw video clips earlier today of Franklin Graham (on Jeanine Pirro's show, no less) saying that the coronavirus outbreak happened because the world has turned its back on God and we are being punished for our sins, and another of Kenneth Copeland literally using his breath to blow the coronavirus away. LOL.
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#jesusfacepalm
 
Tobacco Road said:
Nope. That’s not what that says. He is implying Trump is xenophobic. Not because of the travel restrictions (it was not a travel ban), but rather because Trump has a record of xenophobia. He appears to be saying we need a leader with credibility to lead us, not a xenophobe. There is no criticism there of the restrictions unless he is implying that the restrictions did not go far enough, only “banning” foreigners.
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And your mental and moral contortions continue unabated.
 
Chancellor Kurz here in Austria just announced the first steps to reopening life here.

- after Easter, masks will have to be worn in public
- small businesses selling goods and handymen (max 400m²) can reopen, but they have to ensure that one customer takes up a minimum of 20m²
- employees and customers are to wear face masks, regular disinfection works have to take place within the shops
- after May 1st, all service providers will be allowed to open
- hotels, restaurants etc will be evaluated at the end of April
- no public events will take place until the end of June at a minimum

Austria federal government will evaluate each of these steps and revoke any / all of them if cases spike up again at any point
 
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