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COVID Thread 2: Operation Ludicrous Speed ! (Super Political!!!)

DeacsPop said:
Wow, now that's a total crock of shit.

I'm not buying for a second your "good vs. evil" scenario.

What I will buy is that there are good politicians (very few and far between) Dems and Pubs who, while they have their differences, are focused on serving their constituents.

The balance of the politicians, of both parties, are power mongering scum bags who care nothing but ripping off the electorate that they "serve".
Thus, until we get term limits and true campaign reform; we the people will continue to live in a dysfunctional political atmosphere.
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I think 15 years ago, maybe, you could have legitimately made the argument that the two parties generally had the same or similar objectives (i.e., build a strong and productive society for the benefit of the citizens) but greatly disagreed on the best methods to achieve that goal (tax cuts vs, social safety net). Part of that difference in opinion about the best methods to achieve the goal was rooted in their differing ideas about how the economic system the government manages functioned (e.g., trickle down v bottom up). But at least since the onset of the Obama administration and the emergence of the Tea Party, the GOP has morphed into a reactionary power hungry grift machine, with no core objective, other than self enrichment. You could find individual Democratic politicians who only real goal is self enrichment, sure, but the party as a whole has a core philosophy and public good focused set of objectives, Republicans do not. The fact that one major party has no core societal betterment philosophy is the reason we live in a dysfunctional political atmosphere not the lack of term limits.
 
DeacsPop said:
Wow, now that's a total crock of shit.

I'm not buying for a second your "good vs. evil" scenario.

What I will buy is that there are good politicians (very few and far between) Dems and Pubs who, while they have their differences, are focused on serving their constituents.

The balance of the politicians, of both parties, are power mongering scum bags who care nothing but ripping off the electorate that they "serve".
Thus, until we get term limits and true campaign reform; we the people will continue to live in a dysfunctional political atmosphere.
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The last major Democratic legislative accomplishment worked to make healthcare more accessible to everyone.

The last major Republican legislative accomplishment was a tax cut that primarily benefited the wealthy and corporations.

Which side is trying to help Americans?

Republicans care about tax cuts, sabotaging good government, destroying the environment, voter suppression, and packing the courts to make it all legal.

Democrats want to improve access to healthcare, protect the environment, address economic and racial injustice, voter empowerment, and strengthen good government.

Democrats passed covid relief in May.
Republicans ignore the challenges of the pandemic.

It is clear that one party is interested in helping America and one party wants to live in an alternate reality where the only thing that matters is making the liberals cry.
 
I would only reply that there are many experts that believe that your major Democratic "accomplishment" falls far short in accomplishing reasonable, affordable healthcare access to all.

And many experts would also argue that Pub tax cuts did far more than only aid the "rich".
For instance, by lowering taxes for Corporations, we aided their ability to be more competitive in a global marketplace supporting and creating more well paying jobs for millions of Americans.

Your other points are slanted and totally bias. You are obviously fervently anti Pub which is likely the only point we can agree on.
 
DeacsPop said:
And many experts would also argue that Pub tax cuts did far more than only aid the "rich".
For instance, by lowering taxes for Corporations, we aided their ability to be more competitive in a global marketplace supporting and creating more well paying jobs for millions of Americans.
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link?
 
www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › the-trump-tax-...
Oct 27, 2020 — A report last year by the Economic Policy Institute says, “President Trump's tax bill did not increase wages for working people, failed to spur ...

I have no idea how to copy and paste; sorry.
 
DeacsPop said:
www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › the-trump-tax-...
Oct 27, 2020 — A report last year by the Economic Policy Institute says, “President Trump's tax bill did not increase wages for working people, failed to spur ...

I have no idea how to copy and paste; sorry.
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lol
 
Vice President Joe Biden’s campaign website says, “Tax experts estimate that over the long run, 83% of Trump’s tax giveaway will flow to the top 1% of earners in this country.” That’s not quite fair to the president, though. While the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 was far from perfect, it did cut taxes on the middle class and fueled the economic growth that brought unemployment rates to half-century lows before the pandemic.

Peter Cox....Bloomberg
 
Your link says the opposite of what you claimed.

the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) did not increase wages for working people, failed to spur business investment, decreased corporate tax revenues, and boosted stock buybacks in its wake. Stock buybacks rose more than 50% to $560 billion in 2018—and look on-pace to hit $500 billion again in 2019. Meanwhile, there was no uptick in business investment in 2018 and significant declines in the six months of available data in 2019. Additionally, CBO estimates show that corporate tax revenue has declined more than originally anticipated. While real (inflation-adjusted) wage growth accelerated in 2018 relative to 2017, similar one-year accelerations have been seen in recent years. Further, wage growth in 2019 has decisively decelerated. Other influences pushing up wage growth in 2018—tight labor markets and higher state-level minimum wages—can fully explain the mild pickup in wage growth for that year.
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aren't the "middle class tax cuts" expiring early next year while the corporate tax cuts remain in place? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
 
DeacsPop said:
Weak I know. I guess I know how to copy; just not how you copy a "link". Oh well......
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The part I was loling was that the bit you did manage to copy and past said the exact opposite of your claim regarding the Trump tax cuts, but do go on.
 
Yes, the ACA has problems and did not go far enough. This was partly due to Democrats making concessions to Republicans who nevertheless unanimously opposed it.

The point regarding healthcare still stands. One party wants to fix the problems and go beyond the ACA. The other party has tried to kill it for 10 years without presenting any policy to address healthcare needs in this country. Who is fighting for Americans?
 
DeacsPop said:
I would only reply that there are many experts that believe that your major Democratic "accomplishment" falls far short in accomplishing reasonable, affordable healthcare access to all.

And many experts would also argue that Pub tax cuts did far more than only aid the "rich".
For instance, by lowering taxes for Corporations, we aided their ability to be more competitive in a global marketplace supporting and creating more well paying jobs for millions of Americans.

Your other points are slanted and totally bias. You are obviously fervently anti Pub which is likely the only point we can agree on.
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Where's the bias? Covid relief? Environmental protection? Economic and racial justice? Voter empowerment? A functional government? Please tell me which of these Republicans aren't against.
 
birdman said:
The part I was loling was that the bit you did manage to copy and past said the exact opposite of your claim regarding the Trump tax cuts, but do go on.
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...and that's not the case if you read the article.......
 
WFFaithful said:
Where's the bias? Covid relief? Environmental protection? Economic and racial justice? Voter empowerment? A functional government? Please tell me which of these Republicans aren't against.
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Oh please. We are really going to do this? Fine; couple of bow shots.

1. Do you deny that the Dems Covid relief bill contained tons of spending totally unrelated to direct Covid Relief, Pubs wanted no part of?
Pubs were very interested in passing a COVID RELIEF BILL, to the tune of $500 billion, not $2.2 trillion. Dems refuse to budge.
2. Pubs wish to focus on clean air and water not limiting carbon emissions (Green Deal) that will tank our economy. They support the development of all forms of energies without subsidies. Not interested in aggressive
spending to do such inane things as "upgrade 4 million and 2 million homes" or promises such as "100% clean air economy and net zero emissions by 2050" with no plan to pay or implement it.
3. I won't even dignify your other "biases" with a response.
4. (Let's discuss "income equality". Thats one of my favs.)

Your a tax and spend lib. Great ideas (forgiving student debt) with no clue how you pay for it. Own it.
 
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DeacsPop said:
2. Pubs wish to focus on clean air and water not limiting carbon emissions (Green Deal)
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Republicans don’t even want to do that. It makes a nice slogan but that’s it.

Prosecutions under the Clean Air and Water acts dropped in half after Trump took office
https://www.popsci.com/story/environment/trump-administration-epa-pollution-rise/

Under Trump, the EPA has cut back on enforcement of clean water laws in the Great Lakes region
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...iyrchpa2khe6za5d5m4-story.html?outputType=amp

Crystal clean water? Not if Trump can help it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...stal-clean-water-not-if-trump-can-help-it?amp

Trump limits states’ rights to protect their waterways

https://electrek.co/2020/06/02/trump-states-tribal-rights-clean-water-act/amp/

Trump administration allows companies to break pollution laws during coronavirus pandemic

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...es-pollute-without-penalty-during-coronavirus

While No One Was Watching: Changing Environmental Regulations Under the Trump Administration

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2020/05/21/environmental-regulations-trump/

The Trump Administration Is Reversing More Than 100 Environmental Rules. Here’s the Full List.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

The EPA appears to be using coronavirus to make huge concessions to polluters

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...29/21198674/coronavirus-epa-trump-regulations

Trump Administration Makes Major Changes To Protections For Endangered Species

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/12/7504...changes-to-protections-for-endangered-species

Trump Weakens Major Conservation Law to Speed Construction Permits

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/climate/trump-environment-nepa.amp.html

Air, water, and land protection laws are not left out

https://www.brookings.edu/policy202...inistrations-track-record-on-the-environment/
 
seriously pops everything you wrote is wrong. The gop is literally the do nothing party. They had no platform for this election other than "support donald j trump's agenda." They actually put that in writing and you, who claim you think trump and his job performance have been abysmal, think the gop has rational priorities and a coherent agenda? Oh, they do have one other policy agenda... everyone not republican is a socialist.
 
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