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FiveThirtyEight midterms projections update: Republicans favored to take the Senate

Corporate income taxes are so onerous, but somehow fail to stop Delaware North's worldwide sports concessions empire
 
First I've seen this down on paper but from a CNN article it appears that GOP leadership's top two goals are the pipeline and repealing the ACA. I firmly believe that repealing the ACA is an absolutely horrible idea for the GOP to have any opportunity to be more than a regional party which can hold the House through a gerrymandered system and take over the Senate in the midterms with a second-term president. The country is only going to continue to diversify while the share of white voters only continues to decrease and the GOP is doubling down on pandering to white people. Comical.

"In an editorial entitled "Now we can get Congress going," Boehner and McConnell spent most of their ink touting their legislative agenda and the chance to pass bills that Majority Leader Harry Reid has kept off the Senate floor.

The Republican leaders pledged to pass legislation to repeal Obamacare and authorize the Keystone pipeline -- both measures Democrats have ardently opposed."
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Someone should tell Elizabeth that all her time spent doing research on similarly situated issues is all moot because ChrisL68 on the Wake Forest message boards disagrees with her conclusions.
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So if somebody on the right with an educational background performs research on issues from a conservative perspective, you are just going to accept it at face value?
 
ChrisL68 said:
So if somebody on the right with an educational background performs research on issues from a conservative perspective, you are just going to accept it at face value?
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I didn't say she's right on everything, but without knowing your own credentials and comparing them to Elizabeth Warren's I'm far more inclined to defer to her than you (no offense).
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
In April of 2014, 66% of Americans polled by Gallup felt corporations paid too little in taxes while 61% felt rich people paid too little in taxes. Maybe the controversial part there is expanding entitlement programs with the money but it's difficult to argue that raising taxes on corporations or rich people is an extremist view when it's a belief held by a majority of the country.
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Pretty sure this isn't accurate as I don't remember getting a phone call from Gallup in April.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Lets see.

Her populist attacks on corporate income taxes are extreme (mostly based on incorrect assumptions based on looking an financial reporting for corporations) based on the belief that the US can tax the worldwide profits of every company domiciled here at the US rate.

Her beliefs that we can fund major entitlement expansions by taxing rich people and corporations.

Her beliefs that the US should pay for the college education of everybody

Now you can sit here and stamp your feet that everybody doesn't agree with your take that Warren is a moderate and be aghast at the electorate when she got destroyed in the general election.......or not. I really don't care.
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You're calling a few of the presidents of the 20th century extremists too, then.
 
TuffaloDeac10 said:
Corporate income taxes are so onerous, but somehow fail to stop Delaware North's worldwide sports concessions empire
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Well, our current corporate tax system isn't as she has proposed. Funny how you guys think we should be like Europe, but that doesn't apply to corporate taxes where they have gone to low rate territorial systems and you want to tax worldwide profits at a high US rate. Needless to say, trying to compete in a local country where you are paying 35% taxes while local company is paying 10% taxes would be good business for the US.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Well, our current corporate tax system isn't as she has proposed. Funny how you guys think we should be like Europe, but that doesn't apply to corporate taxes where they have gone to low rate territorial systems and you want to tax worldwide profits at a high US rate. Needless to say, trying to compete in a local country where you are paying 35% taxes while local company is paying 10% taxes would be good business for the US.
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What is her proposal? All her website has is simpler fairer tax code with corporations paying their "fair share." My googling isn't giving me any solid results on "Elizabeth Warren "corporate tax.""

I'm not generally a "we should be like Europe" guy outside of proportional representation and parliamentary systems. Europe got its welfare states in a historically contingent way and their paths aren't available to us.
 
PhDeac said:
I think LK wants to know about her #smallbusiness experience.
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I'm just explaining where the Ivory Tower sentiment comes from. I don't profess to know much about her qualifications. This thread has given me a good reason to read up on her.
 
TuffaloDeac10 said:
What is her proposal? All her website has is simpler fairer tax code with corporations paying their "fair share." My googling isn't giving me any solid results on "Elizabeth Warren "corporate tax.""

I'm not generally a "we should be like Europe" guy outside of proportional representation and parliamentary systems. Europe got its welfare states in a historically contingent way and their paths aren't available to us.
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Well, all of her talk is populist "lets soak big business" rhetoric like Bernie SANDERS based on biased and inaccurate information. If she is serious about coming out with common sense tax reform, then lets hear it.
 
Sanders is another guy who gets unfairly labeled as extreme.


ChrisL68, to the extent you know who he is, do you think Clement Attlee was extreme?
 
Liquid Karma said:
I'm just explaining where the Ivory Tower sentiment comes from. I don't profess to know much about her qualifications. This thread has given me a good reason to read up on her.
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I think if it came to her on the campaign trail she could play up being born to a janitor and a waitress/Sears cashier in post-war Oklahoma, waitressing her way into college (first person in her family).

She bootstrapped her way to where she is today, goshdarnit, working at her aunt's Mexican restaurant from the time she was 13 til she graduated high school early at 16. After college she taught at an elementary school for kids with disabilities. She decided to go to law school after her daughter turned 2, and practiced out of her living room.

It was through years of research at the Rutgers library that she developed the ideas that eventually led to her career in academics.

Just a lazy characterization that can be easily knocked down.
 
TuffaloDeac10 said:
Sanders is another guy who gets unfairly labeled as extreme.


ChrisL68, to the extent you know who he is, do you think Clement Attlee was extreme?
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You are welcome to think that Sanders is moderate, but I don't think that is consistent with the US voting electorate. Don't know enough about Clement Attlee to have an opinion.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I did? I said she has a position, which I think is pretty apparent.
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You said the current system "isn't as she has proposed." I took that to mean she had proposed something, not just complained about a number of corporate tax deductions and exemptions.
 
ChrisL68 said:
You are welcome to think that Sanders is moderate, but I don't think that is consistent with the US voting electorate. Don't know enough about Clement Attlee to have an opinion.
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I don't think Sanders is "moderate," whatever that means. He's a self-described socialist for goodness' sake. I just don't think self-described American socialists are extreme. Sanders' concrete policy proposals have included things like "don't invade Iraq" and Medicare-For-All. I'm not aware of many things he actually wants to actually nationalize, which is where I think things start to get extreme.

Anyhow, Sanders' specific proposals don't seem extreme to me, especially when juxtaposed against things like "Agenda 21 means forcibly relocating people to cities" or "I always go back to, you know, Francisco d'Anconia's speech at Bill Taggart's wedding on money when I think about monetary policy" or global warming trutherism.
 
TuffaloDeac10 said:
I don't think Sanders is "moderate," whatever that means. He's a self-described socialist for goodness' sake. I just don't think self-described American socialists are extreme. Sanders' concrete policy proposals have included things like "don't invade Iraq" and Medicare-For-All. I'm not aware of many things he actually wants to actually nationalize, which is where I think things start to get extreme.

Anyhow, Sanders' specific proposals don't seem extreme to me, especially when juxtaposed against things like "Agenda 21 means forcibly relocating people to cities" or "I always go back to, you know, Francisco d'Anconia's speech at Bill Taggart's wedding on money when I think about monetary policy" or global warming trutherism.
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If Warren or Sanders was running for President against right wing tea party nutcase du jour and it was my only choice, I would hold my nose and vote for Warren or Sanders.
 
I guess I just don't equate having views about expanding entitlement programs and taxing rich people at higher rates with people who don't believe in evolution, global warming, statistics, that gays should be married, that people should be doing hard time for pot possession, that all illegals should be rounded up on the federal dime and shipped home, that ISIS is a legitimate domestic American threat, and that Ebola can be spread through the air.

To each their own though.
 
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