Has there ever been a more clownshow election than this?
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vadimivich
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That's just flat out factually incorrect. Period. And Lord knows I'm no fan of Hilary or her blatant disregard for the most basic of security procedures with her communication. What Petraeus was charged with was much, much, much more serious - that's a very simple fact of record.
Wakeforest22890
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You're an attorney put your big boy shoes on and get your head out of the sand.
How silly of me. I would also include Rumsfeld ahead of either of the remaining candidates. Apologies for the omission.
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Wakeforest22890
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Even Elle Woods appreciated mens rea JHMD.
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Well now you lost me.
vadimivich
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If Bloomberg had run as a Republican (questionable if he could have won the nomination) - he'd be absolutely CRUSHING Hilary in the general. I'm just not sure that a Republican who could win the general could win the party's nomination. That's a major stumbling block right now.
I didn't realize Hillary only had one scandal in her career. Even assuming arguendo we're just taking that one scandal in isolation, General Hayden said that if foreign intel services hadn't hacked Hillary's private server, he'd lose all respect for them (w/r/to technical ability). Now, I'm not a former CIA chief like him, but that leads me to believe that someone who is in a position to make an educated guess is willing to venture the guess that sensitive communications---indeed, thousands of pages of classified email---being hacked by the Russians and/or the Chinese---because some special snowflake didn't want to comply with federal records laws, is far more damning than telling your girlfriend---who herself independently has a clearance, albeit no need to know---classified information. One, cleared person against an unknown number of foreign actors? That's not even a close contest.
But let's assume that neither has a clean record when it comes to info security. Who's got the better resume?
He's got a better resume than Trump or Hillary.
deacvision7
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Both have amazing resumes, but gun to my head, I'd probably prefer to have Hillary's on my CV
What policy would you cite that would be more impressive than engineering the Surge?
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Strongly disagree.
EXACTLY! He gave information he KNEW was classified to someone who had no clearance to see it. Plus, it was used to make money.
The charges that Petreaus was guilty of were fare heavier than what was alleged to Hillary, but that's of no consequence to JHMD and wacko RWers.
deacvision7
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The sanctions on Iran that got us the nuclear deal.
I know you won't agree with me because #politics, but that was damn fine work from a Sec of State.
Mr. Rumsfeld attended Princeton University on academic and NROTC scholarships (A.B., 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. In 1957, he transferred to the Ready Reserve and continued his Naval service in flying and administrative assignments as a drilling reservist until 1975. He transferred to the Standby Reserve when he became Secretary of Defense in 1975 and to the Retired Reserve with the rank of Captain in 1989.
In 1957, he came to Washington, DC to serve as Administrative Assistant to a Congressman. After a stint with an investment banking firm, he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Illinois in 1962, at the age of 30, and was re-elected in 1964, 1966, and 1968.
Mr. Rumsfeld resigned from Congress in 1969 during his fourth term to join the President's Cabinet. From 1969 to 1970, he served as Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity and Assistant to the President. From 1971 to 1972, he was Counsellor to the President and Director of the Economic Stabilization Program. In 1973, he left Washington, DC, to serve as U.S. Ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Brussels, Belgium (1973-1974).
In August 1974, he was called back to Washington, DC, to serve as Chairman of the transition to the Presidency of Gerald R. Ford. He later became Chief of Staff of the White House and a member of the President's Cabinet (1974-1975). He served as the 13th U.S. Secretary of Defense, the youngest in the country's history (1975-1977).
From 1977 to 1985 he served as Chief Executive Officer, President, and then Chairman of G.D. Searle & Co., a worldwide pharmaceutical company. The successful turnaround there earned him awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry from the Wall Street Transcript (1980) and Financial World (1981). From 1985 to 1990 he was in private business.
Mr. Rumsfeld served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Instrument Corporation from 1990 to 1993, a leader in broadband transmission, distribution, and access control technologies. Until being sworn in as the 21st Secretary of Defense, Mr. Rumsfeld served as Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, Inc., a pharmaceutical company.
Before returning for his second tour as Secretary of Defense, Mr. Rumsfeld chaired the bipartisan U.S. Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, in 1998, and the U.S. Commission to Assess National Security Space Management and Organization, in 2000.
During his business career, Mr. Rumsfeld continued his public service in a variety of Federal posts, including:
* Member of the President's General Advisory Committee on Arms Control (1982 - 1986);
* Special Presidential Envoy on the Law of the Sea Treaty (1982 - 1983);
* Senior Advisor to the President's Panel on Strategic Systems (1983 - 1984);
* Member of the U.S. Joint Advisory Commission on U.S./Japan Relations (1983 - 1984);
* Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East (1983 - 1984);
* Member of the National Commission on Public Service (1987 - 1990);
* Member of the National Economic Commission (1988 - 1989);
* Member of the Board of Visitors of the National Defense University (1988 - 1992);
* Member of the Commission on U.S./Japan Relations (1989 - 1991); and
* Member of the U.S. Trade Deficit Review Commission (1999 - 2000).
While in the private sector, Mr. Rumsfeld's civic activities included service as a member of the National Academy of Public Administration and a member of the boards of trustees of the Gerald R. Ford Foundation, the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and the National Park Foundation, and as Chairman of the Eisenhower Exchange Fellowships, Inc.
In 1977, Mr. Rumsfeld was awarded the nation's highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Can you explain these to me? Do you mean the lifted sanctions?
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Exactly. Questionable. And that's the point. Today's GOP isn't going to nominate candidates who could gain broad support among a changing electorate.
deacvision7
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stop being intentionally obtuse and actually engage in a debate or just fuck off back to trolling. I don't care which.
I'm asking you to support your point. What sanctions are you referring to? You can do it.