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Heel fan/friend says Wake will be left out in cold with more conf realignment

Pilchard said:
FWIW, if there ever is a consolidation to 4 power conferences, and a current "Power V" school gets left out to make it 64 (none of which will happen), Baylor leads by miles as the school that will be kicked to the curb, that athletic program is a complete disaster right now, and will not get well any time soon.
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It's not like they are going to just kick one school out. They will probably boot 5 schools for non power 5 teams in bigger markets. Just because Baylor is gone doesn't make wake safe. We are not going to get booted from the ACC, but wake is not going to be in a power conference in 20 years.

People are looking at this with homer glasses on. Wake is screwed in the long run.
 
meh. The ACC isn't going anywhere.

People were saying 20 years 10 years ago. And the ACC's position is stronger.
 
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The ACC's tv contracts have secured the conference until the mid-2030's. Wake will never be kicked out of the ACC so we are secure for the same time period. It's possible the Big XII gets divided up in the mid-2020's. But other than adding another school or two the ACC will remain pretty much the same it is today.
 
The threat of FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12 was popular on Big 12 message boards, but it didn't really make much sense.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
True but it was close to dissolving once already and we got really lucky.
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When was this? Maybe before my time but certainly not in the recent set of expansions that started with the Big 12 losing four members and being on the brink of death.

Any rumors of the ACC's demise of over the last ten years have been the delusions of WVU snowflakes who don't understand why the conference has never wanted them.

Wake is not desirable from a power conference perspective. There's no doubt about that. I don't know that we are any less desirable than, say, Vanderbilt though. Ultimately, that doesn't mean we will be left without a home though. We, and Vanderbilt (and Northwestern too) benefit mightily from being part of a stable conference. The guys who will be left without a home is the tail end of the Big 12. They are clearly the most vulnerable.

All that said, I personally wouldn't be upset if Wake belonged to a G5 or even FCS conference.
 
Another huge factor playing into this is that the ACC schools are located in the fastest growing population areas in the country. Revenues are based on size of markets and growth of those markets and we are in the dead center geographically to take advantage of this growth. The NE and MW are barely growing or in a negative growth trend and this will continue, while the South from Florida to Texas and up to Tenn over to Va is where most of the growth is occurring. Money drives the wagon in collegiate sports and a very large part of that revenue comes from TV contracts from the networks and we are only going to increase market share as the years go by thus ensuring more and more revenue for the ACC, SEC, etc.. To boil it down, the ACC and Wake are going nowhere unless the "gubment" decides football is too dangerous to play anymore.
 
Does not the assignment of TV/media rights to prevent leaving not apply to expulsion also. A reverse poison pill?
Wake gets kicked out and goes with $$$$$$$?
 
BobHWS said:
According to Article IV of the ACC Constitution, it is possible to expel a member institution from the league. However, though a couple teams have quit the ACC and quite a few have been added, no member school has ever been expelled since the league's founding in 1953. It is hard to imagine that 75% of the presidents of the ACC schools would vote to expel a charter member like Wake or any other current school. Anything is possible but it is extremely unlikely.

Section IV-4. Expulsion/Suspension/Probation of Members.

A member institution may be expelled, suspended or placed on probation by the Conference only upon the favorable
vote of three-fourths (excluding the member under consideration) of the members. To expel means a complete severance
from the Conference in all sports. To suspend means a temporary severance under stated conditions from the Conference
in one (1) or more sports.

Among the reasons a member institution may be expelled, suspended or placed on probation for good cause is if it no
longer participates in one or more sports which are required for membership in the Conference or if the member is required
by the NCAA to discontinue such required sport because of violations of NCAA regulations or becomes incompatible with
the objectives of the Conference.

In the event of expulsion, the Conference must provide the member institution with the specific reasons for expulsion
and one year notice (on or before August 15 of any year in which event the expulsion shall be effective the following June
30). The institution will be assessed or paid a proportionate share of the fixed liabilities or assets of the Conference and will
receive a proportionate share of that year’s distribution.

In the event of suspension or probation, the Conference may enforce penalties immediately.
In any sport in which a member is ineligible for postseason play because of violations of NCAA or Conference
regulations, the member may be suspended in that sport. If suspended, the member shall not be eligible for the Conference
championship in that sport. The institution may be required to forfeit its share of any or all Conference revenues generated
by that sport.
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This was actually my earlier point when I posted that school's cannot just be "kicked out". There here has to be cause. Other ACC members, including the "jewel" of the conference, cannot simply decide Wake is too small and give us the boot. Besides, you'd think UNC would want to keep us to balance out the conference academically.
 
Wrangor said:
This is dumb. No one is going to kick Wake out of the ACC. If there is a danger to Wake it is the dissolution of the NCAA and in turn the dissolution of all conferences. I don't think that is financially beneficial to any schools and so I don't see a scenario where that happens. The ACC, SEC, and Big 10 are the power players in college athletics. None of those three are going anywhere, and therefore neither is Wake. The fact that your UNC friend does not understand this is not surprising.
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This in a nutshell. And even if UNC doesn't feel love for Wake, they do have strong ties to Duke and NCSU, which are turn similar to the ties and rivalries other schools have both within the ACC and in the other conferences. Point being that even in the event of dissolution and consolidation, all that shit would have to be hammered out in advance with several schools so that rivalries are not lost or lessened. That is not an easy task. Furthermore, there would not only be resistance from schools who stand to be kicked out in the cold, but also from well-heeled schools (like SMU) who would fight tooth and nail to be included in any new format. And those schools fighting to get in would be doing so at the expense of another school being kicked out.

And as Catamount said, there are actually already 64 P5 teams, 65 if you count ND. 66 if you throw BYU into the mix. I think you could add SMU and then the service academies in there for an even 70 if you really needed to. Nothing says a P5 consolidation would have to be limited to 64 teams.

In short, there are basically so many factors that have to come into play for all the schools to agree to such a scenario and Wake being POed about being left out is but one cog of several on the wheel.
 
His buzzword is "relevance". Says Wake isn't relevant. he essentially says that the "relevant" schools will all get together to form a dominant conference or two. Absurd. He honestly doesn't know what relevance means. Or that it is fleeting.
 
This thread topic is really off beat but I guess some folks don't mind giving oxygen to idiotic notions of fringe lunatics. Oh yes, that is so true even in places of high power.
 
BobHWS said:
According to Article IV of the ACC Constitution, it is possible to expel a member institution from the league. However, though a couple teams have quit the ACC and quite a few have been added, no member school has ever been expelled since the league's founding in 1953. It is hard to imagine that 75% of the presidents of the ACC schools would vote to expel a charter member like Wake or any other current school. Anything is possible but it is extremely unlikely.

Section IV-4. Expulsion/Suspension/Probation of Members.

A member institution may be expelled, suspended or placed on probation by the Conference only upon the favorable
vote of three-fourths (excluding the member under consideration) of the members. To expel means a complete severance
from the Conference in all sports. To suspend means a temporary severance under stated conditions from the Conference
in one (1) or more sports.

Among the reasons a member institution may be expelled, suspended or placed on probation for good cause is if it no
longer participates in one or more sports which are required for membership in the Conference or if the member is required
by the NCAA to discontinue such required sport because of violations of NCAA regulations or becomes incompatible with
the objectives of the Conference.

In the event of expulsion, the Conference must provide the member institution with the specific reasons for expulsion
and one year notice (on or before August 15 of any year in which event the expulsion shall be effective the following June
30). The institution will be assessed or paid a proportionate share of the fixed liabilities or assets of the Conference and will
receive a proportionate share of that year’s distribution.

In the event of suspension or probation, the Conference may enforce penalties immediately.
In any sport in which a member is ineligible for postseason play because of violations of NCAA or Conference
regulations, the member may be suspended in that sport. If suspended, the member shall not be eligible for the Conference
championship in that sport. The institution may be required to forfeit its share of any or all Conference revenues generated
by that sport.
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This means you, UNCheat! :eek:
 
guitardeac said:
His buzzword is "relevance". Says Wake isn't relevant. he essentially says that the "relevant" schools will all get together to form a dominant conference or two. Absurd. He honestly doesn't know what relevance means. Or that it is fleeting.
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LOL.....UNC has adopted such a football first mentality, hasn't it? Except without a good football team! Tell him to go ask the UNC soccer coaches if Wake is relevant.
 
Wow. The crown jewel of the ACC lost at home in football to Duke. If they were in the SEC, I think they'd struggle to get 2 wins/season. Haha!
 
The damages Wake Forest would recoup in a lawsuit filed against being terminated by the ACC would easily begin at a $half billion. Never going to happen.
 
guitardeac said:
His buzzword is "relevance". Says Wake isn't relevant. he essentially says that the "relevant" schools will all get together to form a dominant conference or two. Absurd. He honestly doesn't know what relevance means. Or that it is fleeting.
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tell your Heel friend that if the buzzword is relevant, then next time he should try to say something relevant
 
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