You brought up 11 years to credit a guy for 2. I respect what Lue has done, but you diminish it by discussing it as the back end of an 11 year run.
It's going to be nuts one day when Doc breaks Pop's regular season wins record as part of a long but unspectacular career and people are going to be searching for how to put it into context.
Sorry. I thought as a Clippers fan, you were talking about 11 years of winning, not just the last 2.
Doc's legacy will be interesting. Especially if he breaks or gets close to the record.
To me it actually mirrors the Lebron vs Jordan debate. Longevity matters. So does surrounding cast. But ultimately playoff record and championships hold weight also
Do you wake up in the morning and decide to go full pedant?
The point is very clear. I'm not sure what you're having trouble understanding.
Yeah, Doc gets a lot of credit for winning a championship with one of the best teams in the modern-era. But he should also get credit for treading water with the Magic and squandering title contention with the Clippers.
IMO, Doc had one really great year as a Clippers coach and that, somewhat ironically, was the only year he missed the playoffs. The other years, he's probably the reason why his teams couldn't get over the hump.
kinda hard to call yourself a clippers fan if you don't remember anything about the clippers seasons
Then miraculously after his star players stop getting injured he has his best coaching season, according to Strick
I mean, Clips had bad injury luck. It happens! I'm not blaming Doc for CP and Blake getting hurt.
I'm blaming Doc for blowing a 3-1 lead in the 2015 semis against the Rockets and 2020 semis against the Nugs. I'm blaming him for throwing his players under the bus for those losses, which did a lot to compromise any sense of chemistry. I'm blaming him for being an awful GM, who set consecutive draft picks on fire and couldn't figure out how to sign a competent wing to play with a generational PG talent.
I don't understand people who defend head coaches who are consistently underwhelming. I say this as somebody who desperately wanted to believe that there was some sort of "there" there with a doofus like Jeff [Redacted]. Sometimes you just gotta take a step back and realize that if the guy is doing the same shit at 3 different stops and somehow only one a single championship with the Allen/Garnett/Pierce/Rondo teams, then maybe it's him?
Lotta Doc Rivers fans on this thread lol
Have fun with that
So to be clear, your issue with the 2015 series loss to the Rockets, a series in which Chris Paul missed the first two games, and then came back at 50% was that at one point he was up 3-1?
I think its more fans of logic that Wake grads take pride in