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Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

From today’s W-SJ letters

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JAMES T. FULLER, Winston-Salem

Not worth defending

I don’t give a damn about the Second Amendment.

I did once. I did as recently as six months ago.

But with every school shooting, every horrible mass killing, conservatives use the Second Amendment as an excuse to do nothing. And every time that happens, I become a little less convinced that the Second Amendment is worth defending and a little more convinced that those who defend it are heartless monsters. The right to bear arms is not more important than the right of children to walk the streets and go to school safely.

Great Britain stopped mass killings by regulating guns. Australia stopped mass killings by regulating guns. Japan stopped mass killings by regulating guns. Every major nation in the world regulates guns except the U.S., where we’re constantly told that the solution that worked everywhere else will fail here.

I’m so tired of the excuses and so tired of the gun-worshippers who claim that weapons are necessary in case we need to overthrow the government. Shut up. If they didn’t overthrow the government while President Obama was in office, they’re never going to.

In the wake of a tragedy like that in Florida, no one should be worried about gun rights — they should be worried about protecting children.

If Americans are willing to let children die to protect the Second Amendment, then this is nothing but a s---hole country.
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"It's shocking to us too, trust me, in the actual journalism business," Carlson responded.

LOL

The same Tucker Calrson who did a fifteen minute segment about how the problems and crimes of the homeless in Orange County, CA were caused by the "progressive government" of the county. Of course, OC is one the most populous REPUBLICAN counties in the nation and has been for at least fifty years.
 
Here's definitive proof that a good guy with a gun doesn't always stop a bad guy with a gun. (CNN)

Deputy Scot Peterson, the 6-foot-5-inch school resource officer assigned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, resigned Thursday, under investigation for failing to enter the building as a gunman opened fire and killed 17 people. Video shows Peterson was outside the building for upwards of four minutes while students were gunned down inside. His annual salary in 2016 was $75,673.72, according to sheriff’s office records, but he made $101,013 that year with overtime and other compensation. (link)

These revelations about the actions -- or, more accurately, inaction -- of deputy Scot Peterson came on the same day that National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre spoke in front of the Conservative Political Action Conference, making a by now very familiar argument for guns.

"To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said to applause from the CPAC crowd on Thursday morning.

The problem for LaPierre is that this latest shooting in Parkland, Florida, isn't an affirmation of that view. It's a direct rebuttal.

There was a good guy with a gun in the school when the bad guy with a gun started murdering people. The good guy with the gun wasn't the solution. He didn't stop it.
 
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Here's definitive proof that a good guy with a gun doesn't always stop a bad guy with a gun. (CNN)

Deputy Scot Peterson, the 6-foot-5-inch school resource officer assigned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, resigned Thursday, under investigation for failing to enter the building as a gunman opened fire and killed 17 people. Video shows Peterson was outside the building for upwards of four minutes while students were gunned down inside. His annual salary in 2016 was $75,673.72, according to sheriff’s office records, but he made $101,013 that year with overtime and other compensation. (link)

These revelations about the actions -- or, more accurately, inaction -- of deputy Scot Peterson came on the same day that National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre spoke in front of the Conservative Political Action Conference, making a by now very familiar argument for guns.

"To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said to applause from the CPAC crowd on Thursday morning.

The problem for LaPierre is that this latest shooting in Parkland, Florida, isn't an affirmation of that view. It's a direct rebuttal.

There was a good guy with a gun in the school when the bad guy with a gun started murdering people. The good guy with the gun wasn't the solution. He didn't stop it.

CNN? FAKE NEWS!
 
Everyone knows that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is 150 good guys with guns.

I'm kind of surprised that Trump's "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any voters" comment hasn't gotten more run this week.
 

This is important to remember. School shootings are devastating but any given school is not likely to be a target on any given day. Put police officers in schools and they start looking for something to do.
 
More from Sinyangwe:

 
I Appreciate Assault Weapons. And I Support a Ban.

Brian Mast, a Republican, is the representative for Florida’s 18th congressional district.

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The most important and unregrettable time of my life was the 12 years I spent in the Army. I became a bomb technician because I wanted to save lives. I nearly gave my own life for that — I lost both my legs and a finger when a roadside bomb detonated beneath me — and have known more heroes than I can count who died defending others.

When I was with others on the battlefield and we saw a chance to save a life, we didn’t have a meeting about it; we acted immediately. I never worried about becoming a casualty myself.

Now, as a Republican congressman from Florida, I don’t fear becoming a political casualty, either. If we act now by changing laws surrounding firearms and mental illness, we too can save lives.

Most nights in Afghanistan, I wielded an M4 carbine and a .40-caliber pistol. The total barrel length of my M4 was approximately 14 inches with Trijicon ACOG sights, as well as an infrared laser. I usually carried 10 magazines stacked with 20 rounds of 5.56-millimeter ammunition each.

My rifle was very similar to the AR-15-style semiautomatic weapon used to kill students, teachers and a coach I knew at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., where I once lived.

I have fired tens of thousands of rounds through that rifle, many in combat. We used it because it was the most lethal — the best for killing our enemies. And I know that my community, our schools and public gathering places are not made safer by any person having access to the best killing tool the Army could put in my hands. I cannot support the primary weapon I used to defend our people being used to kill children I swore to defend.

The truth is, most gun owners are responsible sportsmen and collectors who enjoy shooting recreationally, like me, or want to protect their home in the way they see fit. I am a longtime member of the National Rifle Association. My grandfather bought me my first NRA membership when I was young, and I have the same pride he and many Americans feel at being responsible gun owners, becoming excellent marksmen and joining in the camaraderie of hunting.

We are Americans and we like to be the best; we should never lose this trait. The AR-15 is an excellent platform for recreational shooters to learn to be outstanding marksmen. Unfortunately, it is also an excellent platform for those who wish to kill the innocent.

I conceal and carry a 9-millimeter pistol most days because I know the threats, and I don’t want to die because I am unprepared to return fire.

I also know that I am made less safe by the threat of tactical rifles. I am confident I can eliminate an active shooter who is attacking with a pistol because the attacker would have to be close to me. But the defense my concealed 9-millimeter affords me is largely gone if the attacker is firing from beyond 40 yards, as he could easily do with the AR-15.

No firearm is evil. Guns are tools that fulfill the intent of their users, good or bad. But we’ve seen that the rifle of choice for many mass shooters is the AR-15.

The Second Amendment is unimpeachable. It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms.

For example, the purchase of fully automatic firearms is largely banned already, and I cannot purchase an AT-4 rocket, grenades, a Bradley fighting vehicle or an Abrams tank. I know that no single action can prevent a truly determined person from committing mass murder, and I am aware of other ways to commit mass murder, such as bombings and mass vehicular slaughter. Not being able to control everything, however, should not prevent us from doing something.

Therefore, I support the following:

Defining what constitutes an assault or tactical firearm and not allowing them for future purchase — just as we already prohibit the purchase of fully automatic firearms. The exact definition of assault weapon will need to be determined. But we should all be able to agree that the civilian version of the very deadly weapon that the Army issued to me should certainly qualify. I would not support any version of a ban that results in confiscating existing legally owned firearms.

Ensuring that every firearm purchaser has a background check. We also need to improve the background check system.

Banning the sale of accessories and add-ons that circumvent the ban on automatic firearms, and increasing the ages at which individuals can purchase various categories of firearms.

Ensuring that those who have been detained for mental illness, or have been ordered by courts to receive treatment for mental illness, cannot purchase firearms.

Ensuring that someone who is being looked at as a possible terrorist, through a system of due process, cannot purchase a firearm and that any person threatening to shoot or blow up a school, in word or on social media, is placed on an F.B.I. watch list for a long time.

Providing behavior detection training to anyone seeking a Federal Firearms License.

Making substantial resources available to schools, at their discretion, for security measures, including the opportunity to purchase enhanced security screening, install classroom panic buttons wired directly to law enforcement and hire additional school resource officers.

Holding the F.B.I. and state agencies accountable for their failures to identify a threat like Nikolas Cruz, as well as ensuring that schools enforce basic security protocols to prevent access by unauthorized personnel.

And finally, conducting further research into the nexus of gun violence, violence in mass media and mental illness.

The president, House of Representatives, Senate, every state legislature, sheriffs, police officers, school boards, students and parents must unite with one mission: that no one will ever be murdered in school again.
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