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Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

PhDeac said:
At least three candidates have cussed in the debates so far and not a mention in the media.
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Nothing is going to change. Nothing changed after Sandy Hook, Pulse, San Bernardino and nothing is going to change now.

This isn’t a new issue at all. The same lip service is provided every time this happens over the last decade plus. Republicans will never budge an inch on this as a party and will continue thoughts and prayers while they take the NRA money. Nothing will change.

We can’t even get conservatives to admit that decreasing guns in the country will decrease gun violence and that’s as simple as 1+1=2.

Donald will back track on any statements he makes coming out against guns - probably at his rallies. He won’t consistently message any anti-gun positions and he will tweet about other things to blame (media, video games, mental illness, liberals, immigrants).

Congress won’t reconvene from their current break and when they do come back this will be on the back burner and it will be back to the status quo.

Nothing will change. Fuck conservatives and fuck anyone who equivocates on this issue
 
As a reminder, in 2017 Donald rolled back an Obama-era regulation making it harder for people with mental illnesses to get guns. The regulation would have added 75,000 people to the database for screenings. The NRA opposed it and applauded Donald’s actions. Meanwhile at the same time Donald kept talking about how mental health was a major issue in mass shootings. He’s a feckless coward.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Nothing is going to change. Nothing changed after Sandy Hook, Pulse, San Bernardino and nothing is going to change now.

This isn’t a new issue at all. The same lip service is provided every time this happens over the last decade plus. Republicans will never budge an inch on this as a party and will continue thoughts and prayers while they take the NRA money. Nothing will change.

We can’t even get conservatives to admit that decreasing guns in the country will decrease gun violence and that’s as simple as 1+1=2.

Donald will back track on any statements he makes coming out against guns - probably at his rallies. He won’t consistently message any anti-gun positions and he will tweet about other things to blame (media, video games, mental illness, liberals, immigrants).

Congress won’t reconvene from their current break and when they do come back this will be on the back burner and it will be back to the status quo.

Nothing will change. Fuck conservatives and fuck anyone who equivocates on this issue
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It's not like the Republicans aren't doing anything. They are busy keeping people in their prayers.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Nothing is going to change. Nothing changed after Sandy Hook, Pulse, San Bernardino and nothing is going to change now.

This isn’t a new issue at all. The same lip service is provided every time this happens over the last decade plus. Republicans will never budge an inch on this as a party and will continue thoughts and prayers while they take the NRA money. Nothing will change.

We can’t even get conservatives to admit that decreasing guns in the country will decrease gun violence and that’s as simple as 1+1=2.

Donald will back track on any statements he makes coming out against guns - probably at his rallies. He won’t consistently message any anti-gun positions and he will tweet about other things to blame (media, video games, mental illness, liberals, immigrants).

Congress won’t reconvene from their current break and when they do come back this will be on the back burner and it will be back to the status quo.

Nothing will change. Fuck conservatives and fuck anyone who equivocates on this issue
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Sadly, I agree completely. Sandy Hook is what did it for me. If somebody shooting his way into an elementary school armed to the teeth and killing in cold blood 20 kids aged six to seven doesn't move the needle in this country, nothing will. The GOP (and some NRA-supported Democrats) made it abundantly clear then that "moar guns!" and NRA money was far more important to them than doing anything (even tepidly) to stop the violence.

I think the numbers of Democratic pols opposed to gun control has significantly declined since then, but the GOP won't budge. It's become a "hope for the best, but expect the worst" scenario as far as doing anything of substance on this issue. As far as the GOP is publicly concerned, mass shootings like these are simply the result of mental illness (if the shooter is white), video games, social media, and a lack of prayer in schools. Their only substantive policy is to arm everybody in the belief that if only everyone carried a gun, we could shoot the attackers. It doesn't matter that it almost never works, that's their policy, and they aren't changing, period. They're good for lots of thoughts and prayers, though!
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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I wonder how long it will be before he sends out a racist or bigoted tweet, or attacks a minority member of Congress, or goes after immigrants or shithole countries? Or gives a similar speech to a campaign rally? You know it's coming.
 
Highland Deac said:
I wonder how long it will be before he sends out a racist or bigoted tweet, or attacks a minority member of Congress, or goes after immigrants or shithole countries? Or gives a similar speech to a campaign rally? You know it's coming.
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he didn't get to do it all weekend. you know he's got some pent up hate to let out.
 
thatguy2016 said:
Neil deWhatabout Tyson

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If he wants to whatabout something, at least point out that people are getting murdered by guns constantly, with many more in non mass shootings.
 
 
GOP House and Senate members are complicit cowards. They have been proving this for years.
 
Republican Ohio state legislator Candice Keller has, at long last, discovered the root cause of the mass shootings in places like Dayton. In a facebook statement, she blamed the shootings on "the breakdown of the traditional American family" (due to gay marriage, transgender rights, and "drag queen advocates"), as well as: "fatherlessness", violent video games, open borders, social acceptance of "recreational marijuana", failed public school policies, "disrespect to law enforcement" (and she blames Obama for that), hatred of veterans (she blames NFL players for that), the "Dem Congress" (many of whose members she claims are "openly" anti-Semitic), godless American culture that refuses to recognize the importance of churches, liberal state officeholders who don't understand the importance of the Second Amendment, and "snowflakes" who still refuse to accept Trump's election.

Nary a mention of white supremacy or nationalism in her statement. I wonder how long before Trump offers her a position in his administration?

Link (I know it's the NY Post, but her exact fb statement is included in the article): https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/ohio-lawmaker-candice-keller-blames-gay-marriage-drag-queen-advocates-for-dayton-shooting/
 
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/guns-are-american-exception/595450/

Worth a lengthy quote:
As far as anybody can ascertain, the deadliest mass shooter in American history had no specific political motive. Stephen Paddock apparently opened fire from a Las Vegas hotel room in October 2017, murdering 58 and wounding hundreds more, out of purely personal rage at the world.

The second-deadliest mass shooter, Omar Mateen, espoused Islamist loyalties in his final messages before he attacked a gay nightclub in Orlando in June 2016, killing 49 and wounding 53.

The third- and fourth-deadliest—the Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho and the Sandy Hook school shooter Adam Lanza—were both antisocial, and battled different mental-health issues. The fifth-deadliest—the Sutherland Springs church shooter—was a loudmouthed atheist. The El Paso, Texas, gunman ranks eighth; authorities are investigating whether he wrote a white-supremacist manifesto. The Islamic fanatics who killed at Fort Hood, also in Texas, in 2011 and San Bernardino, California, in 2015 are tied for 14th place.

A paranoid defense contractor carried out the Washington Navy Yard shooting that killed 12 people in 2013. We don’t yet know what motivated the gunman in Dayton, Ohio, to kill nine and wound 27. But in 2014, a 24-year-old man named Elliot Rodger killed six and wounded 14 in California, to express his rage at women for perceived sexual rebuffs.

This menu of atrocities offers a wide range of political points to score, if that is your wish. You will find here immigrants and natives; whites and nonwhites; Muslims and Christians; right-wingers, left-wingers, and the nonpolitical. There is even a woman, Tashfeen Malik, who with her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, targeted a Christmas party sponsored by the local Department of Public Health, where the husband worked.

Despite their diversity, all these killers had one thing in common: their uniquely American access to firearms. In turn, these killers unite the country in a uniquely American determination to ignore the obvious.
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That article makes some points but it’s some tone death all sides BS. Mentioning the one woman mass shooter who participated with her husband to claim this isn’t a uniquely male problem? C’mon.
 
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
As a reminder, in 2017 Donald rolled back an Obama-era regulation making it harder for people with mental illnesses to get guns. The regulation would have added 75,000 people to the database for screenings. The NRA opposed it and applauded Donald�s actions. Meanwhile at the same time Donald kept talking about how mental health was a major issue in mass shootings. He�s a feckless coward.
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This cannot be understated or forgotten by whoever ends up running against him.
 
Dayton, Ohio, shooter kept a "hit list" and "rape list," classmates say

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dayton...pe-list-bellbrook-high-school-classmates-say/


High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a "hit list" of those he wanted to kill and a "rape list" of girls he wanted to sexually assault. The accounts by two former classmates emerged after police said there was nothing in the background of 24-year-old Connor Betts that would have prevented him from purchasing the .223-caliber rifle with extended ammunition magazines that he used to open fire outside a crowded bar.
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Bellbrook Police Chief Doug Doherty said Monday his department, which has jurisdiction over the town where the suspect lived with his family, had no record of contact with Betts other than minor traffic violations. However, a former middle school classmate who asked to remain anonymous told the Dayton Daily News that she went to Bellbrook police about a decade ago with concerns about a disturbing conversation she had with Betts. The woman said the shooter told her he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat.
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Gun control includes saying that guy shouldn't be able to legally buy a gun. It's not a difficult premise.
 
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