Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

[Rafi]

On a personal note I did eat probably about 4k in gun loss last night after my wife and I sat down and decided we no longer felt that projecting the idea of responsible gun ownership was healthy for our kids and it’s better to deal with the loss of an animal or 5 than have our kids grow up in a household that owns guns. So today I’ve been practicing advanced shovel defense techniques.

Tone and intention are so difficult to tell on the internet at times, but I have a feeling this is one of the best posts of all time. If true that you got rid of your guns, then good for you. If that was just a set up for "shovel defense techniques," then well played. Either way, a brilliant post.

 

[Biff Tannen]

On a personal note I did eat probably about 4k in gun loss last night after my wife and I sat down and decided we no longer felt that projecting the idea of responsible gun ownership was healthy for our kids and it’s better to deal with the loss of an animal or 5 than have our kids grow up in a household that owns guns. So today I’ve been practicing advanced shovel defense techniques.

Did you consult with the animals on this ?

 

[PhDeac]

You are my enemy, anyone who accepts the status quo is. We are not on the same side.

Understanding the status quo is not accepting it.

Leave it to shitbag Federalist society to see "school shooting" in the news and be offended by the "school" part existing.

There is no way Republicans want to arm the current teachers that they've spent the last year calling groomers and CRT enthusiasts. What they want is to replace teachers with "armed professionals"-either cops or army vets, and screw any actual teaching. They already used cops as scabs during a teachers strike and people were generally OK with it, so why not make it permanent.

Nah. They’re all about deflection and arming teachers is a deflection.

 

[Shooshmoo]

I wish you nothing but the absolute worst. You and your ilk are hypocrites of the highest order, and your presence in our society is a massive net negative.

It’s the selfishness, impotence and inaction of Liberals that ruins societies.

You're unhinged, and mentally unwell. It's like having a discussion with a QAnoner. I hope you get some help.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

So I’ve been gone for a few hours, anything happening in here?

 

[BillBrasky]

You're unhinged, and mentally unwell. It's like having a discussion with a QAnoner. I hope you get some help.

Is this also Gaslighting? Guy who has no problem fighting the culture war, but does fuck all to actually makes things better for anyone besides himself.

I know it must hurt to hear, but you and your kind are this country’s biggest problem.

 

[PhDeac]

So I’ve been gone for a few hours, anything happening in here?

If this was a workplace, we'd be scared that Brasky went home to get his gun.

It's not a kind thing to say but that's how I feel when someone starts calling people his enemy.

 

[bym051d]

If this was a workplace, we'd be scared that Brasky went home to get his gun.

It's not a kind thing to say but that's how I feel when someone starts calling people his enemy.

I'll take Ph in that fight.

Even if you don't consider old man strength.

 

[BillBrasky]

If this was a workplace, we'd be scared that Brasky went home to get his gun.

It's not a kind thing to say but that's how I feel when someone starts calling people his enemy.

This is your modern Liberal. More worried about someone challenging their sincerity and motives than passing actual legislation to save children’s lives. More worried about decorum than gun control.

Anything to keep up the facade that they are a good person who actually cares about others.

 

[PhDeac]

You're doing elite virtual signaling on a message board while putting together your TPS reports. GGGE Brasky.

 

[BillBrasky]

You're doing elite virtual signaling on a message board while putting together your TPS reports. GGGE Brasky.

Now this was actually funny.

As someone who took a sociology course at a directional state school and got like a 125 in the course because the tests questions were the same as the ones on the extra credit quizzes, I appreciate your service.

 

[HuskyDeac]

There are bills out there stalled in Congress, and we know why. And there will be more bills in the wake of this - but nothing will happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics/gun-laws-us-congress/index.html

Fight Republicans (including obvious Republicans like Manchin and Sinema), they're the fucking problem. Bosidesing, while it makes soulless, evil shitheads like 2&2 sleep better at night, is complete fruitless bullshit.

If you think any of your proposed messaging moves the needle at all for those fucking clowns where they live, I don't know what to tell you. But it will be done anyway.

That article talks about bills which haven't been brought to a vote and a bipartisan bill which hasn't had a vote in 9 years. My whole point is Democrats don't seem to be "fighting Republicans", they look to be accepting defeat until they magically win 60 seats. Show you're trying to do something. Make Republicans use the filibuster and show the populace that they're against the most basic gun reforms that nearly everyone agrees on. It's not bothsiding anything, it's messaging and optics. It's about Dems putting the pressure on senators by holding them accountable and putting them on the record rather than just saying, we don't think we have the votes so we aren't going to try. Show the public that is true, Dems are trying to make change happen. Because right now they're just talking about what they won't do.

Senate Democrats took steps Tuesday night to place the bill, called the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2021, onto the legislative calendar so it can be voted on.
It's unclear when the Senate will vote on the measure, but it needs 60 votes in the chamber to overcome a filibuster, and it's clear the legislation does not have that support (at least not right now) -- nor does it have full Democratic backing to gut the Senate rule altogether. It's unclear when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will try to force a procedural vote to break a filibuster. Unless there's an agreement from all 100 senators, the earliest he could set up the procedural vote would be Saturday, according to a Democratic aide.
But senators were expected to leave for next week's Memorial Day recess on Thursday afternoon. So they may wait until after the recess to take that procedural vote, even though leaving town amid the Texas tragedy would be bad optics.

So they finally are "considering" putting this one bill up for a vote, but as usual haven't committed to anything and will probably wait until after the recess, which is just furthering the idea that Democrats aren't doing everything they can. And the bolded from CNN is not clear - because they're not making Republicans raise their hand against it. The average voter looks at government and says politicians don't get anything done - Dems need to start making sure that is framed as Republicans aren't doing the things that 60% of the country want done. Instead of huge bills which include some debatable items and obscure the bigger issue, allowing Republicans to slink behind excuses about where funding will come from or overreach, simplify it so everyone can see who is stopping the things that people agree should be changed.

The defeatist attitude of 'well there's nothing we can do unfortunately' is not going to get additional seats in the fall.

 

[dartsndeacs]

Less Brasky going off the rails talk , surprised there’s nothing on the shooter yet

 

[tigerswood]

Did no one else just see Beto interrupt Abbott's press conference in Uvalde and challenge all the fucktard OWGs to do something? Of course he was called a disgrace and escorted out, while they droned on and on about mental health and not politicizing a tragedy.

 

[thatguy2016]

Horrified by the events of yesterday (and too many other days...)

I found this NYT article on Clinton's passage of the assault weapons ban. I thought I had remembered that there was some bipartisanship back then, and there was, crucial to getting the bill passed. Those days are long gone, of course.

(the ban was part of the larger crime bill, which had other issues)

That prospect was unsettling to powerful Democrats from the South and rural areas who were in no rush to anger their gun-owning constituents or the National Rifle Association, the gun lobby that promised to punish lawmakers who backed the ban. Representative Jack Brooks, the pro-gun Texas Democrat who was chairman of the Judiciary Committee, led the effort to defeat the ban, and he scored a notable success in mid-August when he and nearly 60 other Democrats mutinied. They defeated the motion to bring the crime bill to the floor, sending the administration scrambling to rescue a major legislative initiative. The pro-gun lawmakers teamed up with liberals and members of the Congressional Black Caucus who opposed other elements of the crime bill.

“I know people on the Second Amendment side go nuts when you say this, but what is the purpose of an assault weapon?” said Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, who backed the crime bill. “I was surprised by the reaction.”

A key moment came when Representative Henry J. Hyde, a conservative icon from Illinois, backed the ban as well, giving the more moderate Republicans some cover on the right. On Aug. 21, 1994, a Sunday, the House passed the overall measure on a 235-to-194 vote, with 46 Republicans joining in and 64 Democrats opposed.

 

[thatguy2016]

Less Brasky going off the rails talk , surprised there’s nothing on the shooter yet

well, he apparently posted on Facebook that he was going to shoot his Grandma and then shoot up an elementary school

 

[PhDeac]

well, he apparently posted on Facebook that he was going to shoot his Grandma and then shoot up an elementary school

I used to think we could learn a lot from understanding the psychology of the shooters. I don't think that anymore. A lot of people are violent fucked up people. The problem is they live in a society that rewards violence and it's easy to get a gun.

 

[Demonwolverine]

Not gonna lie, she had me in the first half...

Literally ANYTHING but the fucking guns.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

Less Brasky going off the rails talk , surprised there’s nothing on the shooter yet

as it should be

 

[TimmyClutch]

Did no one else just see Beto interrupt Abbott's press conference in Uvalde and challenge all the fucktard OWGs to do something? Of course he was called a disgrace and escorted out, while they droned on and on about mental health and not politicizing a tragedy.