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Highland Deac said:
Given that I know two Trump-supporting folks (one currently unemployed, one working-class mechanic) who would almost certainly be dead without Medicaid - they both had extremely expensive surgeries and extended hospital stays that they couldn't possibly afford - I'll have to dispute your notion that healthcare is not a right, but a privilege. No matter how you slice it, having that attitude towards healthcare is going to invariably affect the poor and middle-class far more than wealthier people. And, yes, I do think it's very much a moral issue that everyone is entitled to decent healthcare, and it's every bit as much a moral issue as abortion. It's a little hard, in my opinion, to call abortion immoral while saying that people out of the womb are just screwed if they happen to have a health crisis and can't afford adequate care. As you mentioned, genetics plays a major role in a person's health, as does income and education. In the case of healthcare, "entitlement" doesn't ruin people or families, but denying it will sure as hell kill them, or lead to needless suffering.
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Meanwhile....

White House weighs adjusting poverty definition, shrinking welfare rolls
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ng-poverty-definition-shrinking-welfare-rolls
 
Wrangor said:
As a Christian? Why would Bernie be a better choice for Christians? Because he wants to use government to redistribute wealth? That is a strange question.

Trumps tariff war is actually killing agriculture right now. There isn’t a crop that makes money in this climate. You are basically just trying to get back to even until pricing turns around and that won’t happen until China and the USA come to some sort of agreement and the markets stabilize.

Sonny Perdue said it best in a letter to producers to try to bolster spirits. He quoted a conversation he has had with the president.

[paraphrased] Farmers are people who play the long game, and they understand what you (Trump) are doing. But patriotism doesn’t pay the light bill.”

Back to your original question. I am not under the misconception that any of the people running for president align with my morality. For starters every democrat on the ticket has the exact opposite stance of mine on abortion. Secondly I am fairly libertarian on gender and sexual orientation but I don’t equate it to the civil rights movement so that also puts me in the cross hairs of the intersectional movement.

So I have no moral safe harbor. I do my best to pick the candidate that best represents my views and morality. Unfortunately I am kind of a man without a party. But I am conservative and do in the absence of a transcendent figure on the left that is fairly moderate (or at least campaigns that way) I am almost always going to vote conservative in national elections.

In local elections I don’t think the party really matters and I will vote for whoever I feel will represent me/my community the best in the role for which they are running.
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Thanks.

So, abortion is the answer in short, no? But, you said you’d vote Biden over Trump, when he’s pro-choice. Why?

My bigger question is not understanding how any Christian, myself included (although I’m not nearly as devout as I once was), could vote for Trump. It goes against everything the Gospel says. I don’t see how Bernie waiting fairness for all is worse than Trump.
 
Also, WnB is (as usual) telling a lot of truth on this thread.
 
Also, Wrangor doesn't understand the term "entitlement". It's not an "entitlement" if you pay for something. Even in a single payer/universal healthcare system, Americans will be paying into it, The main differences is everyone will be covered and there will be massive savings to the public. The 15% profit insurance companies make will immediately evaporate and those billions will be saved. Typically, insurance companies have 12-20% overhead costs. Medicare's overhead is about 3%. That's tens of billions more in savings. Further, each person who is paying traditional insurance premiums has part of those fees going to cover the uninsured. These billions will be saved.

It ain't rocket science. Just like Wrangor won't address the fact that dozens of states have laws that intentionally discriminate against the LGBTQ community, he won't admit health insurance won't be an "entitlement".
 
You don't need to go find state-specific statutes to read Wrangor. If states don't have specific protections for gay individuals at work, then it's legal to fire them since they're not a protected class (so long as they are not fired for an already existing illegal reason).

I'm intrigued by the conservative notion that by adopting certain aspects of socialism in America we are going down an irreversible destructive rabbit hole which will somehow be worse than Donald and the GOP's actual authoritarian efforts. There's just no evidence of this at all. Right-wing media has effectively trained conservatives to oppose anything that expands government services on the basis that it equals socialism, which in turn engenders a negative Pavlovian response.

That Wrangor would vote for Donald over most Democratic candidates illustrates the lost cause that are right wingers and even self-proclaimed "moderate" Republicans. Also shows the stark divide between rural voters and suburban/urban voters.
 
The thing is, conservatives cannot stomach UHC. It runs counter to their whole belief system, no matter how glaring the facts are and how you frame the argument. To acquiesce on this issue is to admit they were wrong about the free market wrt a huge swath of the economy. Even if they know deep down, they just can’t.

We gotta wait until they age out and die off.
 
I mean based on recent polling, the majority of Republicans support "Medicare for all." One issue is that the term "universal health care" has taken on a negative connotation - thanks largely in part to right-wing media propaganda.

Also, how do Republicans who bemoan increased entitlements and Medicare for all type programs as "socialism" square this with the overwhelming public support for Medicare and Medicaid - which would never pass today because of the right's boogeyman that it's irreversible socialism and an unearned entitlement program? So Republicans like the program in place, but would never help pass the program today.

Seems like a serious disconnect between support for passing a new program and actual programs in place.
 
WakeandBake said:
Holding the poor in contempt is a cornerstone of conservative ideology
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LOL - Most conservatives are focused on lifting the poor out of poverty.

Yet most libs are following the playbook of keeping communities poor and reliant on government programs in order to lead to more votes for candidates who champion big government.

Libs believe people are weaklings who need help from government so it's in their best interest to keep people poor and dependent.
 
What substantive evidence do we have that conservatives are "focused" on lifting the poor out of poverty?
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL - Most conservatives are focused on lifting the poor out of poverty.

Yet most libs are following the playbook of keeping communities poor and reliant on government programs in order to lead to more votes for candidates who champion big government.

Libs believe people are weaklings who need help from government so it's in their best interest to keep people poor and dependent.
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How’s that Kool Aid?
 
Ridiculous.

Everyone reasonably paying into a regulated insurance system that ensures that everyone can receive decent modern healthcare whenever it’s needed is not a government giveaway. Or some pernicious anti-business scheme.

It’s dumb to assert we can’t do better or that the “free market” alone is going to improve things.
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL - Most conservatives are focused on lifting the poor out of poverty.

Yet most libs are following the playbook of keeping communities poor and reliant on government programs in order to lead to more votes for candidates who champion big government.

Libs believe people are weaklings who need help from government so it's in their best interest to keep people poor and dependent.
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the classic republican who gripes when they they don't get their 1% increase on their Social Security check
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL - Most conservatives are focused on lifting the poor out of poverty.

Yet most libs are following the playbook of keeping communities poor and reliant on government programs in order to lead to more votes for candidates who champion big government.

Libs believe people are weaklings who need help from government so it's in their best interest to keep people poor and dependent.
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This is the lazy, moronic, brainwashed position RWers have used for years. It's as accurate as trickle down economics would ever work.

It also shows how little RWers like angus understand about a market driven, capitalistic economy. They way you expand such an economy is never giving more to the rich. The more you give to the poor, lower middle class and middle class. The more the economy grows. The more the middle and below have the greater demand becomes. Demand drives the economy.
 
Conservatives simultaneously claim that it is not governments job to lift the poor out poverty while patting themselves on the back for their efforts to lift the poor out of poverty. #courage #dignity
 
WakeandBake said:
Conservatives simultaneously claim that it is not governments job to lift the poor out poverty while patting themselves on the back for their efforts to lift the poor out of poverty. #courage #dignity
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It sounds like they would like this Joe Biden guy.
 
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