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Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition

deacvision7 said:
Pataki declared this morning. PATAKI! That dude hasn't been relevant since 2008.
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Of the eight declared GOP candidates:

-Carson has never run for office
-Fiorina lost to Babs Boxer
-Santorum was voted out in 2006
-Jeb left office in 2007
-Huckabee left office in 2007
-Pataki left office in 2008
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Of the eight declared GOP candidates:

-Carson has never run for office
-Fiorina lost to Babs Boxer
-Santorum was voted out in 2006
-Jeb left office in 2007
-Huckabee left office in 2007
-Pataki left office in 2008
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And none of them were community organizers with no executive experience! Oh the huge Manatee...
 
jhmd2000 said:
Awesome. That's just great.

150 years from now, your great-grand Dems will be pretending that the 2000's left was really the party that was Pro-life, and that the parties had just switched labels in the intervening time (like you guys do with your predecessors from 150 years ago). Noted.
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Just bless your heart.
 
PhDeac said:
Conservatives haven't given up on Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court ruling isn't going to stop them. It will just make it more important to have a true conservative in office to appoint new justices when necessary.
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Honest Question: would you give up on Roe v. Wade if you believed that abortion was the destruction of a developing child? You sound as though you are surprised and a little annoyed that people who have a different viewpoint on this topic wouldn't just shrug their shoulders and move on with their life. Heck, we have people fighting for paid paternity leave following the birth of a child, but we should sneer at people who believe the child might be just as valuable at 15 weeks as he/she is at 24 weeks?

Honestly, would you give up? Put yourself on the other side of the argument for a second.
 
Wrangor said:
Honest Question: would you give up on Roe v. Wade if you believed that abortion was the destruction of a developing child? You sound as though you are surprised and a little annoyed that people who have a different viewpoint on this topic wouldn't just shrug their shoulders and move on with their life. Heck, we have people fighting for paid paternity leave following the birth of a child, but we should sneer at people who believe the child might be just as valuable at 15 weeks as he/she is at 24 weeks?

Honestly, would you give up? Put yourself on the other side of the argument for a second.
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Nope. When the Supreme Court rules, that's final.

cc: The Estate of Dredd Scott
 
Wrangor said:
Honest Question: would you give up on Roe v. Wade if you believed that abortion was the destruction of a developing child? You sound as though you are surprised and a little annoyed that people who have a different viewpoint on this topic wouldn't just shrug their shoulders and move on with their life. Heck, we have people fighting for paid paternity leave following the birth of a child, but we should sneer at people who believe the child might be just as valuable at 15 weeks as he/she is at 24 weeks?

Honestly, would you give up? Put yourself on the other side of the argument for a second.
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I'm against abortion, too.
 
Wrangor said:
Honest Question: would you give up on Roe v. Wade if you believed that abortion was the destruction of a developing child? You sound as though you are surprised and a little annoyed that people who have a different viewpoint on this topic wouldn't just shrug their shoulders and move on with their life. Heck, we have people fighting for paid paternity leave following the birth of a child, but we should sneer at people who believe the child might be just as valuable at 15 weeks as he/she is at 24 weeks?

Honestly, would you give up? Put yourself on the other side of the argument for a second.
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Massive difference between a fetus at 15 weeks and one at 24 weeks.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
There is also a massive difference between a baby at 15 months and one at 24 months. So what?
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Because that 15 month baby has already been born?


A fetus at 15 weeks cannot stay alive outside of the womb. Not a single reputable doctor/scientist disagrees.
 
Fascinating how few undecideds there are within both parties and in the Hillary vs. questions.
 
deacvision7 said:
Because that 15 month baby has already been born?


A fetus at 15 weeks cannot stay alive outside of the womb. Not a single reputable doctor/scientist disagrees.
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Plenty of old people (and some young people as well) can't stay alive off of life support. Does that mean I get to run through the halls of the hospital pulling plugs?
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Plenty of old people (and some young people as well) can't stay alive off of life support. Does that mean I get to run through the halls of the hospital pulling plugs?
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No, you can't, but their legal guardian can decide to pull the plug and that is legal.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Plenty of old people (and some young people as well) can't stay alive off of life support. Does that mean I get to run through the halls of the hospital pulling plugs?
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I demand that you show me a written contract where I agreed not to run through the halls of the hospital pulling plugs.
 
deacvision7 said:
Because that 15 month baby has already been born?


A fetus at 15 weeks cannot stay alive outside of the womb. Not a single reputable doctor/scientist disagrees.
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Not the point. We both know I disagree with the philosophy behind your stance. My point in asking PH was IF he believed as I do, would he stop pushing the issue? His statement made it pretty clear that Conservatives should 'give up'. I am asking him if he would give up if the circumstances were reverse.
 
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