Should there be consequences for universities that don't stand up for free speech?

[sailordeac]

ITCwife is SUPER salty today after an annoying/grueling hiring process for a spot in her dept. today was the final meeting to vote/decide and she was out-voted by the other members of the committee who went with a sub-par candidate solely because she was a "diversity candidate" vs a [white] woman with way better credentials (and personality). Her main opponent dropped the "if you don't vote for this woman, I guess you don't care about diversity on campus".

AA, what a great way to end discrimination

 

[Strickland33]

AA, what a great way to end discrimination

How would you suggest ending discrimination?

 

[sailordeac]

not by more discrimination

 

[jhmd2000]

How would you suggest ending discrimination?

Step one: stop using demographic factors as a hiring criteria
End of steps.

 

[jhmd2000]

Wrong thread, please post in palmas #fakenews thread. Yeah this is total bullshit, if he was planning on calling out illegal immigrants don't you think he would of pulled similar stunts at one of the many speeches he has made at college campuses around the country? This one gets canceled so bullshit gets made up and there is noway to disprove pure speculation.

There is also a difference in saying I agree with the guy, and saying he should be allowed for to have a not so unpopular opinion, and express said opinion.

Utter, revisionist nonsense. He and Shapiro get shouted down all the time, neither has ever done anything close to this (query: what if they did? Is it illegal speech?), and this tripe gets spun to justify political cowardice. How embarrassing.

 

[Strickland33]

Utter, revisionist nonsense. He and Shapiro get shouted down all the time, neither has ever done anything close to this (query: what if they did? Is it illegal speech?), and this tripe gets spun to justify political cowardice. How embarrassing.

He would never do such a thing. Never.

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/12/15/milo-uwm-trans-locker-room/

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A transsexual who forced his way into the women’s bathrooms at UW-Milwaukee has sensationally quit the university after Breitbart senior editor MILO called him out live on stage.

Speaking to LGBT news site Pink News, transwoman Justine Kramer said she was quitting the university after MILO was allowed to call her out for using Title IX legislation to force her way into women’s locker rooms at UWM.

Discussing MILO’s event which can be watched in full here, the article states “In his speech – which was streamed on the internet by far-right news outlet Breitbart – Yiannopoulos singled out Milwaukee engineering student Adelaide Kramer, showing pictures of her on a PowerPoint presentation and mocking her as a “man in a dress” who ’I’d almost still bang’”

MILO, who is emerging as a second-wave feminist hero in the vein of the late Phyllis Schlafly, said “If all it takes are a few strong words from me to make trans people leave women in peace in their bathrooms, I’m definitely going to up the ante. Really, if he can’t take a joke, how is he going to cope with having his dick cut off?”

“Thanks to me, UWM is a little safer for women. It seems I’ve become one of the last true feminists. Isn’t that weird!”

The Pink News piece initially provides some background on MILO describing him saying, “Far-right internet troll Milo Yiannopoulos has seen his media profile rise thanks to attention-grabbing bigoted comments and support of Donald Trump, whom he refers to as ‘daddy.’”

Speaking to Pink News, Justine Kramer criticised the college for allowing MILO to speak, “As I’ve already said, ‘YOU KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD. AND WE TOLD YOU AGAIN. AND AGAIN.’”

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yiannopoulos-harassed-a-trans-student-at-uw-milwaukee.html

On Tuesday, alt-right troll Milo Yiannopoulos made yet another stop on his tour of colleges and universities across the country. He spoke at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, where he was invited by a conservative student group, and he used his platform to mock a transgender student, displaying her name and photo prominently onscreen.

In critiquing leftist criticism of the phrase “man up,” Yiannopoulos said around the 49:52 mark, “I’ll tell you one UW-Milwaukee student that does not need to man up.” He then showed the student’s photo. “Have any of you come into contact with this person?” he asked. “This quote unquote nonbinary trans woman forced his way into the women’s locker rooms this year.” He went on:

“I see you don’t even read your own student media. He got into the women’s room the way liberals always operate, using the government and the courts to weasel their way where they don’t belong. In this case he made a Title IX complaint. Title IX is a set of rules to protect women on campus effectively. It’s couched in the language of equality, but it’s really about women, which under normal circumstances would be fine, except for how it’s implemented. Now it is used to put men in to women’s bathrooms. I have known some passing trannies in my life. Trannies — you’re not allowed to say that. I’ve known some passing trannies, which is to say transgender people who pass as the gender they would like to be considered.”

He then referred to the photo, which was still onscreen, and said, “Well, no. The way that you know he’s failing is I’d almost still bang him.” The audience laughed.

In response to the incident, chancellor Mark Mone emailed the campus to say he was “disappointed that this speaker chose to attack a transgender student” and that he would “not stand silently by when a member of our campus community is personally and wrongly attacked.” The student responded with a blistering email, which a student-activist website published in full.

“You’re as embarrassing as the people who wear a safety pin and think that counts as being an ally — patting yourself on the back for a job well done — all while you stand silent as fascists attack your students,” she wrote. “Do you know what it’s like to be in a room full of people who are laughing at you as if you’re some sort of perverted freak? Do you know what this kind of terror is? No, you don’t.”

 

[Strickland33]

Step one: stop using demographic factors as a hiring criteria
End of steps.

If this method works so well, then how do you explain the racial stratification of the workplace? I'll wait.

not by more discrimination

You're cut out for Congress with solutions like that!

 

[jhmd2000]

Strick,

Help me understand how your three links and quotes were responsive. I do not.

The name of his tour is "Dangerous (fword)". He can prove the second part but your fear of his words proves the first.

FTR, thanks to critical thought, I'm convinced of zero of the following three things:
1. Milo is conservative.
2. Milo is gay.
3. Stevie Wonder is blind.

 

[Strickland33]

Strick,

Help me understand how your three links and quotes were responsive. I do not.

The name of his tour is "Dangerous (fword)". He can prove the second part but your fear of his words proves the first.

Milo has doxxed students before.

If you don't trust multiple sources that were deemed legitimate enough for the College Republicans and University administration to intervene, then perhaps that incident - documented via three very different sources - shows what Milo is capable of doing with his speech.

There are limits to free speech. You and I know that. I don't fear his words. I fear for the impact that his words may have for Latino students' safety and wellbeing.

 

[Gooner]

Wrong thread, please post in palmas #fakenews thread. Yeah this is total bullshit, if he was planning on calling out illegal immigrants don't you think he would of pulled similar stunts at one of the many speeches he has made at college campuses around the country? This one gets canceled so bullshit gets made up and there is noway to disprove pure speculation.

There is also a difference in saying I agree with the guy, and saying he should be allowed for to have a not so unpopular opinion, and express said opinion.

You are allowed to have unpopular opinions. But no one nor no institution is required to let you express it in the name of the Constitution

 

[jhmd2000]

Milo has doxxed students before.

If you don't trust multiple sources that were deemed legitimate enough for the College Republicans and University administration to intervene, then perhaps that incident - documented via three very different sources - shows what Milo is capable of doing with his speech.

There are limits to free speech. You and I know that. I don't fear his words. I fear for the impact that his words may have for Latino students' safety and wellbeing.

Do you fear for the fallout from the words of the speakers that led to rioting after the inauguration? What about the speech that led to the Ferguson riots? Or is the fear only actionable when we disagree with the speech? That inconsistency is where my skepticism kicks in.

 

[Deacfreak07]

Do you fear for the fallout from the words of the speakers that led to rioting after the inauguration? What about the speech that led to the Ferguson riots? Or is the fear only actionable when we disagree with the speech? That inconsistency is where my skepticism kicks in.

Were those speeches formal events sponsored by a university? Or just sound systems on a street corner?

 

[Strickland33]

Do you fear for the fallout from the words of the speakers that led to rioting after the inauguration? What about the speech that led to the Ferguson riots? Or is the fear only actionable when we disagree with the speech? That inconsistency is where my skepticism kicks in.

It sounds like we agree in principle.

 

[jhmd2000]

Were those speeches formal events sponsored by a university? Or just sound systems on a street corner?

Funny, I doubt the victims of the violence draw this artificial, inapplicable distinction.

 

[jhmd2000]

It sounds like we agree in principle.

My point is he could speak to 1,000 college Republicans and it wouldn't confer the legitimacy banning him does. I never heard of the guy until the feelings police had him banned from Twitter.

 

[Strickland33]

My point is he could speak to 1,000 college Republicans and it wouldn't confer the legitimacy banning him does. I never heard of the guy until the feelings police had him banned from Twitter.

That is a very different point than the one that I was making in the series of posts of mine that you quoted.

I agree with you that banning him only gives his agenda legitimacy. I would counter, though, that universities are dealing with very real security issues in sanctioning his events. I guess I just really don't see Cal in the wrong here.

 

[Coach O]

That is a very different point than the one that I was making in the series of posts of mine that you quoted.

I agree with you that banning him only gives his agenda legitimacy. I would counter, though, that universities are dealing with very real security issues in sanctioning his events. I guess I just really don't see Cal in the wrong here.

Wait...jhmd moved the conversation to a place where the point he wanted to make was applicable???

 

[jhmd2000]

That is a very different point than the one that I was making in the series of posts of mine that you quoted.

I agree with you that banning him only gives his agenda legitimacy. I would counter, though, that universities are dealing with very real security issues in sanctioning his events. I guess I just really don't see Cal in the wrong here.

Describe the factual basis of the security threat presented in this case that justified censorship. Was someone going to hurl a Topsider?

 

[jhmd2000]

Wait...jhmd moved the conversation to a place where the point he wanted to make was applicable???

No. I remain directly on the op. Cal shut this guy down because they disagree with what he said. Y'all know it. Hence this behavior

 

[ImTheCaptain]

remember when the republican-lead senate shut down a democrat's right to speak because they didn't like what she had to say?

carry on