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Wake - Clemson Game Thread

Wake Forest Head Coach Jeff [Redacted]

Overall thoughts:
"It was a competitive game by both sides, give credit to Clemson for pulling it out. I thought a significant part of the game, from our standpoint, was when we were up 32-30 and they missed a shot, the ball was on the floor we ran out like we got it, but they got it. Then the next possession for Clemson, (K.J.) McDaniels had a run-in offensive rebound. I thought those two things were significant, turning the tide a little bit."

On second half defense:
"Our defense started to spread a little bit and they began to drive to the rim two or three times. We just got out of positioning off the ball. We also had some really good looks offensively, got the ball close to the rim and they had several blocks, but you have to continue to score. If we had converted better around the rim, then they are not free-flowing on a break."

On Clemson shot-blocking:
"That really makes their defense. Their ability to protect the rim, especially with (Landry) Nnoko and McDaniels. That's something that was a focus of ours coming in, to make sure that when we got it close to the rim, not getting your shot blocked because they are both jumping for the ball, and that leaves the glass open for some offensive rebounds; we had 14 of them. When the shot is blocked, you don't have the opportunity. Number two, when you drive to the rim and have more than one guy on you, you have to find open teammates. We had some open looks; it would have helped if a couple more threes went down."

On not going to the zone:
"For three fourths of the game we defended pretty well, too. They are such a good offensive rebounding team that it just kept bodies on bodies. I didn't like the way the zone looked that one possession. I just felt more comfortable with man-to-man tonight."
 
diverdeac said:
mcKie has helped us more at the 4 in the past but that is a mid major quality setup. He is not capable in the low post against competition. That is when it shows.

Now for him he should be thrilled that he has gotten pushed to the three. If he were playing well he might be getting some nba attention. We are allowing him to shoot the 3 and drive the ball. He is playing like shit. Absolute shit.

If he would get it going this team might be good. We got absolutely plunked at Clemson last year. Cavanaugh got abused. Today he played well. That is development. This team is decent but the ball is dying at the 3 spot with Travis and rountree and Mickie is not doing anything else with intensity.
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With due respect to Rountree, I can't believe that Jackleg NCScout acted like he could be as good as Jamaal Levy. That is an insult.
 
I agree with BKF on a lot of things. If you try to compare Skip's Prosser's Wake career (and the team he left behind) to Jeff [Redacted] at Wake, you clearly don't understand context nor basketball.

Bob Staak is Denny Crum when compared to [Redacted].
 
DeaconSig said:
With due respect to Rountree, I can't believe that Jackleg NCScout acted like he could be as good as Jamaal Levy. That is an insult.
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Did he say he could be as good or reminded him of him? I can see how he can remind him of him being the way their bodies are similar. Levy also had some good coaching but I don't think Tree could ever have gotten to be Levy good. I miss that freaking kid.
 
DeaconSig said:
With due respect to Rountree, I can't believe that Jackleg NCScout acted like he could be as good as Jamaal Levy. That is an insult.
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Tree literally does nothing on offense. Just watch him when he doesn't have the ball. He literally stands in the corner and does his awkward bending over thing that only Aaron Rountree can do. No motion. Nothing. I have no idea why you have him in the game if he isn't being effective on defense. And KJ was dominating him down the stretch.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
This. We prop him up because he was loved and left us way too soon, but he was one more bad season away from being on the hot seat. Still wish he was our coach, though.
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Then it would have taken Skip what, 7 years to land on the hot seat?

It took Bz 1 game, if that. Will bkf quit following Wake again after this year when Bz finally gets run out of town?
 
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Carl Tacy never had rebuilding years in his Wake career where he went 35 games under .500 in the ACC. When he "resigned" he was looking at another long term rebuilding project that would have pushed his ACC record 50 to 60 games below .500.
 
The 2005-2006 team was built to have a decent year and kinda fell apart, just like the 1975-1976 team was built to have a good year (made it to the top 10) before completely imploding going 4-8 in the ACC and losing badly in the 1st round of the ACC tournament.

The 1976-1977 team imploded. Probably the only team in history to go 2-5 in its last 7 games and make the final 8. A real testament to late season coaching, or luck?
 
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bobknightfan said:
RJ, I've never tried to compare Skip's career at Wake with [Redacted]'s career at Wake. Obviously, there is no comparison. I just pointed out that...well into his stint at WF...he went 1-15 on the road in the ACC over a 2-year period. (I think this is an indication of the problem with trying to build a program relying on 1 & 2-year players. You can be very good one minute, then back to square one the next.) Neither have I ever had anything but the most laudatory things to say about Skip as a person. I'm just saying that Skip...as a coach...has been overrated on this board, almost certainly due to the tragic circumstances of his death. Just as there is no comparison between Skip & [Redacted] as a coach, neither is there any comparison between Skip and either Odom, Tacy or Bones, as a coach.
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Skip didn't build the team on 1-2 players. Chris was the only person who left early under Skip. Farouq left after two years after Skip died as did James and Jeff.

The reality is if you don't have players leaving early in this era the chances of being consistently good in the ACC are nil. You can hem and haw all you about this, but that's the way it is.

Hell, Bulter's best year was led by a guy who left after two years.
 
Yes, you make endless excuses about Tacy that you don't provide to other coaches. We get it.

Pretty much every ACC gym back then was a barn. Reynolds, Carmichael, Cameron (before it was considered this hallowed place to play).

It was much easier to recruit under the radar type players back then. Plus Wake got its share of fairly sought after recruits. Recruiting was much more regional.

And nobody was on TV back then. There was an ACC game of the week and that was it. An occasional national TV game.
 
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Then you want us to leave the ACC. It's that simple.

Staying in the ACC without being competitive is for losers.
 
They must have had most of their OOC games televised because hardly any conference games were televised. There was the Saturday Packer/Thacker game and an occasional ACC game picked up for national coverage. Weeknight games were hardly ever televised. I might have been young, but I lived and died with ACC hoops then, and if their had been games on TV, I would have been watching them with Dad. I remember listening to top 10 Wake/UNC in that time frame on the radio.

Aren't we in the same situation now? Duke and UNC live on ESPN and we are on ACC Sports Network or ESPN3. When your program generally stinks, nobody wants to watch it.
 
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DeacsATS said:
Went to the game today, so I couldn't hear the broadcast... But I had a few observations. I am firmly "buzzout" FWIW.

We played good defense most of the game... Especially the first half. Not sure how much of this was due to Clemson only having one real offensive threat.

Refs seemed to do a pretty good job... Though the Clemson fans didn't agree. I was surprised we didn't get to the line much in the first half, but we certainly got our share of calls in the second half.

I don't think Cav played as well as most of the commentary on here seems to suggest. He scored a few times to start the 2nd half, but it looked like he got bailed out on multiple occasions. He got pushed around most of the game. And I'm a huge Cav fan. My wife (who never watches the games with me) asked why he was playing for us when he looked so uncomfortable on the floor. Not his best game... Though he seems to be the only one able to feed Devin the ball in the post.

I used to think Madison Jones could be a decent PG for us (for spells). The last few games have made me change my mind on that.

I thought Thomas looked pretty good... Should have fed him more.

Our offense was terrible. Clemson was athletic, big, and aggressive... But we were running some kind of motion offense that had no effective picking. Was far too easy for the Clemson defenders to just follow their man around without getting held up at all. No way for Coron to get any shots if he's not coming off a decent screen.

I have no idea if Travis is hurt or not. His game has always been the type where you don't feel like he needs to dominate the ball to have an effect on the game... But he disappeared far too often today.

Codi needs to work on his shot (and shot selection).

I wasn't ticked about [Redacted]'s substitutions down the stretch. I don't think Cav needed to be out there... He wasn't playing particularly big today. Maybe Bz felt Mckie was hurt. I agree that Rountree maybe wasn't the right guy to guard McDaniels... But Moto wasn't having much success, either. We just got beat at the end. They made offensive plays (at least McDaniels did), and we couldn't get any good shots. Yeah, Bz takes some of the blame (he always does)... But we needed someone to step up down the stretch and it didn't happen.

Good road effort... But a loss is a loss. Especially painful because it was a winnable game.

Just my 2 cents.
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Good recap. I thought the same things.
 
flash in the pan success isn't going to put you on the radar.
 
Benedict Bob, how do you determine when a team is or isn't worthy of rooting for? Let's say we amp up the recruiting again someday such that we get players good enough to go pro early. And let's just dream big here and say that with some of those players we get really good and make a Final Four or national championship. You would (presumably, though this is debatable) be extremely happy about this outcome...your innate passion for the Deacs couldn't help but emerge, right?

But then let's say at the end of that season, 1-2 of those players capitalize on their success and notoriety, and, feeling that they'd accomplished what they came for, turn pro and become lottery picks? My question is, what then? Do you suddenly, retroactively, regret cheering for that team? Do you renounce the victories? Worse, do you come on this message board and throw cold water on the wins? How do you suddenly not like the Deacs whom 24 hours earlier you'd loved and been proud of? Does the statute of limitations extend to the next season or two, and now you don't like those teams either because the WFU basketball program has succumbed to competitive college basketball trends? How long before they regained your ever so valuable (yet constantly wavering) fan support?

This is why your position makes no sense to me. I can understand if we all lamented a FF run in hindsight, if it later came out that the program was rife with corruption or something. But that's not what we're talking about here.

What's your ultimately indefensible answer?
 
bobknightfan said:
They aren't "student-athletes". They're just here as a stopover before they can go to the NBA.
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Coaches aren't teachers either. Unless we are now paying teachers 2.5 million to teach. This includes your golden boy who was making millions of dollars for the second half of his career.
 
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