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General Election Thread: Two Weeks Out

Deacfreak07 said:
So you agree that they followed the logic of my post you just quoted. Ok.
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No I'm saying your inability to look in the mirror and see that some of this, certainly not all, is on the rhetoric that was freely and happily spewed at conservatives during this election cycle. You can bury your head in sand, but if you didn't learn anything from last night, Trump will be a two term president.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
the reaction to Trump and the victory is almost entirely "ha! serves those libs right!" and not like "sweet, we have a guy who will tackle energy, trade, FP, immigration issues with solutions that I agree with"
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is there a part of you that might benefit from dropping the extremism?
 
I just hope modern day Andrew Jackson opens up the White House on inauguration day and throws an all time kegger like his namesake.
 
Deacs89 said:
Time for the DNC to do a full autopsy and find out how their platform can reach the disaffected white vote.
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They need to call more people racists, sexists & homophobic. Van Jones would be a good guy to put in charge. He's ranting & raving about it in fine form on CNN now.
 
Yeah. I was expecting more "So this is how I think we will start building the wall" and "I hope forced deportation starts in my state first."
 
ImTheCaptain said:
the reaction to Trump and the victory is almost entirely "ha! serves those libs right!" and not like "sweet, we have a guy who will tackle energy, trade, FP, immigration issues with solutions that I agree with"
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That's cause you're all a bunch of intolerable fucks. See every post from shoo in the last 16 hours.
 
Shorty said:
A bigger frustration for Hillary supporters has to be that while Pubs came out in droves, too many Dems stayed home. Stuff I've read this morning puts voter turnout at 55%, lowest since 2004. Hillary was down tens of thousands of votes compared o Obama's numbers in Dem strongholds like St. Louis and Milwaukee.
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ChrisL68 said:
The primary was pretty toxic. Accusations of election fraud (pushed by RT). The supporters of one of the candidates was convinced they were cheated. Hard to overcome.

That was a pre-made wedge issue for the Trump campaign and wikileaks to expose to keep turnout down among the left.
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There definitely was an enthusiasm gap. I think part of that goes to Clinton's integrity issues (which is not to suggest Trump doesn't have his own). But mainly it's that one candidate was chosen by the party for the voters and the other was chosen by the voters for the party.

Shooshmoo said:
Meanwhile, we get to listen to these folks calling people the n-word, faggots, libtards, terrorists, baby-killers, etc.
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And has that ever changed your opinion?

discdude said:
It was 16% here in Colorado. The Cubans I can understand, to an extent, but 31% is still strong when compared to years past. I assume it has much to do with Obama normalizing relations with Cuba and the Castros, but I cannot, for the life of me, understand the Latino numbers in states like Colorado. I teach in a heavily Latino community here in Colorado, and 16% is baffling.
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It may have to do with these areas having a longer-entrenched Latino population. My wife's parents are immigrants. While they don't support Trump, they are very much against immigration policies that are too liberal. Their attitude is that they came legally and did it "the right way," and that it's not fair to let those who didn't get a pass.
 
jhmd2000 said:
is there a part of you that might benefit from dropping the extremism?
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you point out a post from a Trump voter on this board who has said anything like the second half of my sentence and I'll drop the "extremism"

all day IRL and here i've just heard the same thing "well, this is what happens when you call people names!"
 
ImTheCaptain said:
you point out a post from a Trump voter on this board who has said anything like the second half of my sentence and I'll drop the "extremism"

all day IRL and here i've just heard the same thing "well, this is what happens when you call people names!"
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There are three responses. First, surely they are thinking the second sentence, but it's not nearly as much fun on a MB when compared to the first.

Second, if 1,000 people call a fat guy fat, are they all wrong? I'm unfamiliar with the winning political strategy that says you should insult half of the country. The last two major party candidates to do so lost.

Third, http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...ause-hillary-clinton-is-objectively-terrible/
 
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ImTheCaptain said:
cool, a literal "ha! servse those libs right!" victory dance.

#loweredexpectations
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Meh. I didn't vote for Trump and didn't want him to win. But seriously, a little reflection might do wonders. Instead we're seeing a lot of doubling down
 
jhmd2000 said:
There are two responses. First, surely they are thinking the second sentence, but it's not nearly as much fun on a MB when compared to the first.

Second, if 1,000 people call a fat guy fat, are they all wrong?
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hey, if you think the top criteria for who is a great pres. candidate is "who will piss off libtards the most LOL", rock on.

I hope he makes america great again. I have no other choice for the moment.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Unscientifically, I think it's like this:
20% Clinton fatigue (Wolf Blitzer and the True Believers believed the Omni-exoneration narrative, but there was a cumulative effect to the scandals; they all kind of fit a credible narrative).
10% MSM fatigue (spite-vote that W&B talk about)
20% Trump-as-strongman-will-Hulksmash-their-problems
20% Obama fatigue [if you'd like to call this raciosm, do so now]
20% Obamacare
10% {And you will love this but I'm just being real} BLM/Kapernick fatigue. A lot of Amuricans still believe in America (I realize that the OGB Left looks down at this notion, but it's a rich-man, poor-man; You guys are too cool for America!, and I get that, but there are places on Earth to live other than Western and Northern Europe, and by comparison to most of the globe, America ain't what's wrong with the world), and I think the persistent drumbeat of negativity from the left had an accumulated effect. This election was an outlet for the negativity.
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I tend to think you're not far off, though liberal turnout reflects more Clinton fatigue than that. I guess your safe space rural voters fit in the 10%? Not sure that's a tipping point in an election without someone who gets that 20% strongman vote and the 20+% Clinton fatigue advantage. On top of that, Obamacare will not be an issue 4 years from now for the Dems. Either it's gone and pubs own the consequences, or it's not gone, and pubs own the consequences. Then the Obama fatigue is also off the table. Even though I tend to think that comparisons of Clinton to Obama did her no favors, as he was/is much more popular and effective but that could just be me. I think MSM fatigue increases under President Trump, as he seems like he will be combative and relentless with disputing and all criticisms of him by the media of which there will be plenty by the very nature of the job. You're probably back to a toss-up without any consideration of candidate. Throw in the populist outsider message is ripe of the taking for the dems as they will be occupying as underdog a position as you can possibly get. The folks who were frothing to #DrainTheSwamp will find that Christie got stuck in the drain. Democrats have, what looks like at this moment, a pretty decent young bench that has a more clear path now than they would have under essentially years 9-12 of Obama. Could end up being a good opportunity to regain the White House depending on results over the next 4 years. Trying to regain traction in Congress or the SCOTUS, however, will be a decade or more rebuild - really long slog.
 
DG3 said:
No I'm saying your inability to look in the mirror and see that some of this, certainly not all, is on the rhetoric that was freely and happily spewed at conservatives during this election cycle. You can bury your head in sand, but if you didn't learn anything from last night, Trump will be a two term president.
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If things go well during the next few years, Trump absolutely wins reelection. He wins by bigger margins than he had this time around. There were plenty of folks that didn't support him because of the great unknown. If that is alleviated by knowing that he can govern, then he coasts to reelection.

DeaconBrews said:
I just hope modern day Andrew Jackson opens up the White House on inauguration day and throws an all time kegger like his namesake.
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BIG BLOCK OF CHEESE!
 
deac29 said:
Meh. I didn't vote for Trump and didn't want him to win. But seriously, a little reflection might do wonders. Instead we're seeing a lot of doubling down
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many, many D voting posters readily admitted HC was a terrible candidate but that's what we had. Last night i think we all #facepalmed about how her terrible candidacy blew up in our faces.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
many, many D voting posters readily admitted HC was a terrible candidate but that's what we had. Last night i think we all #facepalmed about how her terrible candidacy blew up in our faces.
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Not enough.
 
Yeah but large swaths of people apparently cast spite votes. How do you campaign against that?
 
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