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America's White People Are In Deep Shit

Deacfreak07 said:
Obviously overgeneralizing here, but I really can't understand how people like these pharmaceutical folks and gun manufacturers sleep at night. I guess market utilitarianism has its benefits.
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I think they justify it with talk of personal liberty and personal responsibility.
 
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Obviously overgeneralizing here, but I really can't understand how people like these pharmaceutical folks and gun manufacturers sleep at night. I guess market utilitarianism has its benefits.
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Wait, did I miss something? It's not like the pharma folks are out pushing heroin.
 
Demonbeck said:
Please explain.
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Because much of this drug problem isn't street level heroin. It's opioid painkillers. You don't think big pharma is aware their sales are increasing in these areas? You don't find that a little irresponsible?
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Because much of this drug problem isn't street level heroin. It's opioid painkillers. You don't think big pharma is aware their sales are increasing in these areas? You don't find that a little irresponsible?
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That's like blaming the company that makes hamburgers for McDonald's for creating the nation's obesity problem.

Big pharma, for all of their faults, is producing drugs that - when used responsibly - provide relief for all kinds of symptoms. It's not up to them to regulate sales in different areas - that's up to governmental agencies like the FDA and each state's Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, etc. For instance, how many more people benefit properly from Codene (sp?) than are harmed by Purple Drank misuse?
 
Demonbeck said:
That's like blaming the company that makes hamburgers for McDonald's for creating the nation's obesity problem.

Big pharma, for all of their faults, is producing drugs that - when used responsibly - provide relief for all kinds of symptoms. It's not up to them to regulate sales in different areas - that's up to governmental agencies like the FDA and each state's Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, etc. For instance, how many more people benefit properly from Codene (sp?) than are harmed by Purple Drank misuse?
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You don't think food producers share some blame in the obesity epidemic? I don't think these are nefarious actors. Just people trying to make as much money as possible. I don't expect ethics or morality to come into play with those decisions. Purely profit. The free market is not, nor has it ever been, a moralistic force. That's not its job.
 
In the same way that street level drug pushers are trying to make a buck.
 
Demonbeck said:
That's like blaming the company that makes hamburgers for McDonald's for creating the nation's obesity problem.

Big pharma, for all of their faults, is producing drugs that - when used responsibly - provide relief for all kinds of symptoms. It's not up to them to regulate sales in different areas - that's up to governmental agencies like the FDA and each state's Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, etc. For instance, how many more people benefit properly from Codene (sp?) than are harmed by Purple Drank misuse?
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But the GOP opposes and wants to cut the FDA.
 
Well one of the biggest problems was the pharmaceutical manufactures manipulated data and lied for years about the true addictive nature of the pain medication they were producing. So much so that Purdue Pharma, the producer of Oxycontin, paid over 600 million in fines.

Combine that with the previously more rampant incentive nature of over prescribing medication to hit marks as a doctor you have the pushing of highly addictive drugs, described as not that addictive.

This is also on top of the difficulty in prescribing the appropriate level of pain management (genetic and metabolic testing might help in the future), where everyone's level and tolerance for pain, as well as metabolism of drugs varies significantly. So in the end you have a generic over prescription that might be necessary for less than 25% of the population.

So yeah just like McDonalds.
 
Demonbeck said:
That's like blaming the company that makes hamburgers for McDonald's for creating the nation's obesity problem.

Big pharma, for all of their faults, is producing drugs that - when used responsibly - provide relief for all kinds of symptoms. It's not up to them to regulate sales in different areas - that's up to governmental agencies like the FDA and each state's Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, etc. For instance, how many more people benefit properly from Codene (sp?) than are harmed by Purple Drank misuse?
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This is incredibly naive. Big Pharms isn't just protecting their interests--they actively introduced legislation that made it harder for regulators to stop pharmacies that are dispensing disproportionately large numbers of opioids. Congress is utterly beholden to the industry on this front. They've sided with industry on regulations that would limit docs prescribing opioids, they sided with industry on not allowing Medicare/Medicaid to negotiate lower drug prices. The state of West Virginia has sued pharmaceutical manufacturers, but Congress passed laws protecting them from litigation. The CDC has suggested the public health epidemic should be addressed at the level of docs, and issued guidelines to that end, but the Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee (IPRCC), more or less neutered the guidelines. Big Pharma is tying the hands of regulators by getting in the pockets of Congress. And surprise, surprise, it's hyper-partisan. The CARA, legislation meant specifically to address this epidemic, was passed by both houses but not funded, and guess who led the charge?

Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the finance committee, who took $360,000 from industry, and Representative Mike Rogers, who received more than $300,000. They wrote the legislation that established the IPRCC mentioned above. Hooray!

But let's not scrutinize Big Pharma!
 
Demonbeck said:
That's like blaming the company that makes hamburgers for McDonald's for creating the nation's obesity problem.

Big pharma, for all of their faults, is producing drugs that - when used responsibly - provide relief for all kinds of symptoms. It's not up to them to regulate sales in different areas - that's up to governmental agencies like the FDA and each state's Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, etc. For instance, how many more people benefit properly from Codene (sp?) than are harmed by Purple Drank misuse?
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To be clear, you're essentially saying that it's not Big Pharma's responsibility to internalize the costs of selling their product because there are already governmental agencies who try to do that.
 
Diane Rehm talking about opioids now.

Definitely brings to mind the saying "opiate for the masses." That's Trump.
 
While we're on the subject, Trump's pick to head the Office of Management and Budget, Mick Mulvaney, is not going to like spending on opioid abuse research if his hot takes on funding Zika research are any indication:

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Yeah that's about right for republican thinking when it comes to disease and public health, but they are the first ones to lose it when we don't have instant results and solutions for the latest crisis we had been warning them about.

"If a house is on fire, no one wastes time putting water on nearby houses just in case the fire spreads. They rush to pour water where it will do the most good- on the burning house. The same strategy turned out to be effective in eradicating smallpox, and will be for other diseases"
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
Yeah that's about right for republican thinking when it comes to disease and public health, but they are the first ones to lose it when we don't have instant results and solutions for the latest crisis we had been warning them about.

"If a house is on fire, no one wastes time putting water on nearby houses just in case the fire spreads. They rush to pour water where it will do the most good- on the burning house. The same strategy turned out to be effective in eradicating smallpox, and will be for other diseases"
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Is this a real quote? What about the smallpox vaccine?
 
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