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The 100 Best Films of the 1990's (Slant Magazine)

RJKarl said:
It's not "well thought out" to say ST is a Top 20 movie or that Showgirls is. It's more like drug induced satire.
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Contrarians gonna contrary. We're talking about the list because it's unusual and we disagree with it. Another article talking about Schindlers list and Forest Gump wouldn't get nearly as many hits.
 
It's not about being a "contrariran". If you set up a list that alleges to rate anything due to quality and you one of the worst movies of the past twenty years in your Top 15, then the "hits" you get are created from derision.

If their purpose was to be mocked and thought a group of fools, then they succeeded.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Contrarians gonna contrary. We're talking about the list because it's unusual and we disagree with it. Another article talking about Schindlers list and Forest Gump wouldn't get nearly as many hits.
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But they're not contrarians for the sake of being contrary. They have valid reasons, they explain themselves well. RJ I'm so sorry that Slant's writers don't agree with the "popular" opinion. Stick to AFI or the Oscars, or any of those other old white guy organizations that continue to list and love on the same types of boring shit all the time.
 
WakeFanatic said:
But they're not contrarians for the sake of being contrary. They have valid reasons, they explain themselves well. RJ I'm so sorry that Slant's writers don't agree with the "popular" opinion. Stick to AFI or the Oscars, or any of those other old white guy organizations that continue to list and love on the same types of boring shit all the time.
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Total fucking BS....Their reasons and yours are not valid. They are pompous, look at me BS. Their opinion is not "popular". They are in the minority of every age group.
 
WakeFanatic said:
But they're not contrarians for the sake of being contrary. They have valid reasons, they explain themselves well. RJ I'm so sorry that Slant's writers don't agree with the "popular" opinion. Stick to AFI or the Oscars, or any of those other old white guy organizations that continue to list and love on the same types of boring shit all the time.
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"old white guy" organizations? Really? You're really stretching this defense. This is just a bad list man.
 
RJKarl said:
Total fucking BS....Their reasons and yours are not valid. They are pompous, look at me BS. Their opinion is not "popular". They are in the minority of every age group.
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Who says they're not valid? You? Why are they not valid? Things are only pompous or pretentious when people try to sound high-minded but don't know anything about what they are saying. I can assure you these writers, and I, know a fuck ton more about film criticism/film theory than you. And I never said their opinion was popular, but that it goes against the "popular," groupthink opinion of what is "good."
 
I'm disappointed that La Haine continues to be overlooked (outside of Empire's Best Films of World Cinema), but I have no argument against The Thin Red Line. It's not my favorite movie of the 90s, but it does everything a movie should do extremely well.

I also feel that if there was a spot for Natural Born Killers in the top 200, there should be room for Man Bites Dog. I don't know, I guess I have a thing for black and white French-language movies.
 
WakeFanatic said:
Who says they're not valid? You? Why are they not valid? Things are only pompous or pretentious when people try to sound high-minded but don't know anything about what they are saying. I can assure you these writers, and I, know a fuck ton more about film criticism/film theory than you. And I never said their opinion was popular, but that it goes against the "popular," groupthink opinion of what is "good."
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I think popularity and group think deserve a lot more input in a "best of a decade" list.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I think popularity and group think deserve a lot more input in a "best of a decade" list.
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I would vehemently disagree with that. This isn't rotten tomatoes, they aren't collecting aggregate scores. And I said "old white guy" organizations before because the academy is something like 75% white males, age 65+, and I would imagine AFI is similar.
 
KickballDeac said:
I'm disappointed that La Haine continues to be overlooked (outside of Empire's Best Films of World Cinema), but I have no argument against The Thin Red Line. It's not my favorite movie of the 90s, but it does everything a movie should do extremely well.

I also feel that if there was a spot for Natural Born Killers in the top 200, there should be room for Man Bites Dog. I don't know, I guess I have a thing for black and white French-language movies.
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Man Bites Dog is a personal favorite of mine.
 
WakeFanatic said:
Who says they're not valid? You? Why are they not valid? Things are only pompous or pretentious when people try to sound high-minded but don't know anything about what they are saying. I can assure you these writers, and I, know a fuck ton more about film criticism/film theory than you. And I never said their opinion was popular, but that it goes against the "popular," groupthink opinion of what is "good."
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You are the one being pompous and arrogant. You are the one telling me you know "a fuck ton more about film criticism" than I do.

You're the one defending those who a movie that is nearly universally considered one of worst movies of the decade. In fact, the anti-Hollywood group that gives out the Razzies gave their awards for worst actress, worst screenplay, worst director, worst ensemble acting, worst original song and worst movie of 1995.

The last thing anyone hear complains about me is being a part of "group think" about anything. I don't give a rat's ass if something is popular.

In fact one of the things people on the board like about my movie threads is I find films that haven't made it to many markets. A case in point last month was Searching For Sugar Man.

This is a bogus list created by self-indulgent, self-important hipsters.
 
RJKarl said:
You are the one being pompous and arrogant. You are the one telling me you know "a fuck ton more about film criticism" than I do.

You're the one defending those who a movie that is nearly universally considered one of worst movies of the decade. In fact, the anti-Hollywood group that gives out the Razzies gave their awards for worst actress, worst screenplay, worst director, worst ensemble acting, worst original song and worst movie of 1995.

The last thing anyone hear complains about me is being a part of "group think" about anything. I don't give a rat's ass if something is popular.

In fact one of the things people on the board like about my movie threads is I find films that haven't made it to many markets. A case in point last month was Searching For Sugar Man.

This is a bogus list created by self-indulgent, self-important hipsters.
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The Razzies also nominated Shelley Duvall for Worst Actress, and Kubrick for Worst Director for The Shining, among other movies that have come to be appreciated. All you're doing is finding other peoples opinions and quoting them. Do you have an opinion of your own? "Self-indulgent, self-important," says the guy whose movie reviews that he has posted sound like a middle school book report. "I liked the acting. It was good. The plot was good. Overall it was good, not great, but I still liked it." Riveting analysis.
 
I told you my opinions. Showgirls could have been directed by Ed Wood. It is insipid, horrifically written. Elizabeth Berkley is atrocious. It's basically unwatchable.

This list mirrors your attacks on all of us who disagree with it and is quite simple,"I know more about movies than you do and I'm much cooler than all of you. Thus you must listen to me."
 
WakeFanatic said:
Who says they're not valid? You? Why are they not valid? Things are only pompous or pretentious when people try to sound high-minded but don't know anything about what they are saying. I can assure you these writers, and I, know a fuck ton more about film criticism/film theory than you. And I never said their opinion was popular, but that it goes against the "popular," groupthink opinion of what is "good."
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You're coming across like a fucking tool here. After the numerous movie threads here I think we all get that you're studying film. We. Fucking. Get. It. Completely unnecessary to remind everyone of this fact and claim you know a "fuck ton" more than people you've never met. One of my colleagues is notorious for having once said he knows a "fuck ton" about finance to a fellow group of analysts. Everyone hates this kid. You may choose to ignore this but I'd just thought I'd point out for your same that saying things like that is not going to make people respect you in any way.
 
And just to be clear, movie reviews don't count as academic writing.
 
RJKarl said:
I told you my opinions. Showgirls could have been directed by Ed Wood. It is insipid, horrifically written. Elizabeth Berkley is atrocious. It's basically unwatchable.

This list mirrors your attacks on all of us who disagree with it and is quite simple,"I know more about movies than you do and I'm much cooler than all of you. Thus you must listen to me."
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I only go on the attack after you call me self-important and pompous, and say that my reasons aren't valid. Why is it horrifically written? Again your obsession with "good" acting (Berkley gives an uninhibited performance, she goes all out) and approachable writing. "Most prefer satire when it's dealing with the distant past to the extent that one can feel morally superior to the subject of ridicule without recognizing oneself in the mix." Here's the four-star review from Slant for Showgirls, written back in 2004. It's a great read.
 
WRS said:
You're coming across like a fucking tool here. After the numerous movie threads here I think we all get that you're studying film. We. Fucking. Get. It. Completely unnecessary to remind everyone of this fact and claim you know a "fuck ton" more than people you've never met. One of my colleagues is notorious for having once said he knows a "fuck ton" about finance to a fellow group of analysts. Everyone hates this kid. You may choose to ignore this but I'd just thought I'd point out for your same that saying things like that is not going to make people respect you in any way.
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I don't think I stated in there that I'm studying film. I only say the "fuck ton" thing because RJ is being an ass. And no, movie reviews aren't academic writing, I am aware of that, and I never stated that it was.
 
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