Aliens Exist
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The aliens probably go Men In Black on anyone who shot footage of them, making them erase the footage and then whipping a little memory loss on them.
Or Ivory Billed Woodpeckers…makes you wonder!
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I wrote a long post and it kicked back saying it had to be less than 10,000 words. So this is part one.
I've been following this story for years now. My conclusion is that aliens are not real, but there is a real cover up and I can't quite put my finger on why there is a cover up.
This insalubrious tale began with the Roswell incident that prompted an official government response in the form of Project Bluebook. This program eventually came to an end. From the 1960s until the early 2000s there was no official government involvement in the study of UFOs, however, government actors were actively involved in spreading UFO disinformation. Link. The next big "break" occurred when Bob Lazar claimed to have worked on a UFO reverse engineering program in the 1980s. Link. Lazar's claims have never been substantiated, including his claims regarding his educational background.
As has been mentioned on this board, in 2004 several Navy pilots encountered what they described as a "tic tac" shaped UFO that behaved in ways they could not explain. They have said that they are unaware of any US tech that could correspond to this shape and capabilities, however the US does possess designs for such a craft.
Link.
In 2007, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) awarded a project to Bigelow Aerospace to study various paranormal occurrences at Skinwalker Ranch. Bigelow, who at the time was a major donor to US Senator Harry Reid and is currently a major donor to Ron Desantis, had been intensely interested since he was a young man and had purchased the ranch in 1996 after reading an article about paranormal occurrences there in a local newspaper. (As a side note, Harry Reid was a practicing Mormon, the current owner of the ranch Brandon Fugal is a Mormon, and the vast majority of people currently working at Skinwalker ranch are either current or former Mormons. This is notable because belief in extraterrestrial life is actually central to Mormon cosmology. Link.)
The project under which this award was made was known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Application Program (AAWSAP). A number of important characters in this story are linked to this program: Dr. Eric Davis, Dr. Harold "Hal" Puthoff, Edgar Mitchell, and Luis Elizondo. According to Eric Davis, AAWSAP developed about 30-40 technical papers about theoretical topics such as traversible wormholes and cloaking devices. Link. However, funding was pulled because, according to Eric Davis, certain evangelical Christians in high positions within the Pentagon thought the program was trying to summon demons. Link.
According to Elizondo, after funding for this program ended he took up a sub-part of this program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which he says was specifically looking at UFOs. The Pentagon has denied his role as "program director" of AATIP, and AATIP was the program which the 2017 NY Times article identified as the "Pentagon UFO program." Link.
Davis is a physicist of low renown outside UFOs circles. He is linked to a document that surfaced in 2019 called the "Wilson memo", which purports to have been discovered amongst the estate of former astronaut Edgar Mitchell, an associate of Puthoff through a Bigelow company where both were employed known as the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS). Link. From Mitchell's Wikipedia page:
"After moving to Atherton, California, he became founding chairman of the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) in Palo Alto, California in 1973 for the purpose of consciousness research and other "related phenomena".[24][17] "Science and religion have lived on opposite sides of the street now for hundreds of years," Mitchell said toward the end of his life. "So here we are, in the twenty-first century, trying to put two faces of reality—the existence face and the intelligence or conscious face—into the same understanding. Body and mind, physicality and consciousness belong to the same side of reality.[25]
Annie Jacobsen has asserted that Mitchell's Mind Science Institute (a Los Angeles, California-based organization ultimately subsumed by the Institute of Noetic Sciences) was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as a surreptitious conduit for payments to Andrija Puharich and Uri Geller while the latter was evaluated by an SRI International research group (led by Harold E. Puthoff and Russell Targ) in 1972.[26] In 1976, Mitchell attempted to secure additional funding for the SRI group's remote viewing research in a private meeting with Director of Central Intelligence George H. W. Bush. Although Bush demurred (citing post-Watergate investigations of the intelligence community), he suggested the pursuit of military sponsorship, leading to the formation of the Stargate Project in 1978.[27]"
The infamous Wilson Memo was brought up last year during a Congressional hearing about UFOs. Link. This memo purports to have notes taken by Mitchell in speaking to Davis as Davis recapped a conversation with Admiral Thomas Wilson, who was the director of the DIA from 1999 to 2002. Link. In the memo, Davis claims that Wilson told him there was a secret reverse engineering program that had no Congressional oversight whatsoever and that non-human craft were being kept by an outside private defense contractor, among several other claims. Link. Davis has never confirmed the authenticity of this memo and Admiral Wilson has vehemently denied this conversation ever took place and denies knowing Davis. Link. Eric Davis now works in Huntsville, AL at The Aerospace Corporation.
I've been following this story for years now. My conclusion is that aliens are not real, but there is a real cover up and I can't quite put my finger on why there is a cover up.
This insalubrious tale began with the Roswell incident that prompted an official government response in the form of Project Bluebook. This program eventually came to an end. From the 1960s until the early 2000s there was no official government involvement in the study of UFOs, however, government actors were actively involved in spreading UFO disinformation. Link. The next big "break" occurred when Bob Lazar claimed to have worked on a UFO reverse engineering program in the 1980s. Link. Lazar's claims have never been substantiated, including his claims regarding his educational background.
As has been mentioned on this board, in 2004 several Navy pilots encountered what they described as a "tic tac" shaped UFO that behaved in ways they could not explain. They have said that they are unaware of any US tech that could correspond to this shape and capabilities, however the US does possess designs for such a craft.
Link.
In 2007, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) awarded a project to Bigelow Aerospace to study various paranormal occurrences at Skinwalker Ranch. Bigelow, who at the time was a major donor to US Senator Harry Reid and is currently a major donor to Ron Desantis, had been intensely interested since he was a young man and had purchased the ranch in 1996 after reading an article about paranormal occurrences there in a local newspaper. (As a side note, Harry Reid was a practicing Mormon, the current owner of the ranch Brandon Fugal is a Mormon, and the vast majority of people currently working at Skinwalker ranch are either current or former Mormons. This is notable because belief in extraterrestrial life is actually central to Mormon cosmology. Link.)
The project under which this award was made was known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Application Program (AAWSAP). A number of important characters in this story are linked to this program: Dr. Eric Davis, Dr. Harold "Hal" Puthoff, Edgar Mitchell, and Luis Elizondo. According to Eric Davis, AAWSAP developed about 30-40 technical papers about theoretical topics such as traversible wormholes and cloaking devices. Link. However, funding was pulled because, according to Eric Davis, certain evangelical Christians in high positions within the Pentagon thought the program was trying to summon demons. Link.
According to Elizondo, after funding for this program ended he took up a sub-part of this program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which he says was specifically looking at UFOs. The Pentagon has denied his role as "program director" of AATIP, and AATIP was the program which the 2017 NY Times article identified as the "Pentagon UFO program." Link.
Davis is a physicist of low renown outside UFOs circles. He is linked to a document that surfaced in 2019 called the "Wilson memo", which purports to have been discovered amongst the estate of former astronaut Edgar Mitchell, an associate of Puthoff through a Bigelow company where both were employed known as the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS). Link. From Mitchell's Wikipedia page:
"After moving to Atherton, California, he became founding chairman of the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) in Palo Alto, California in 1973 for the purpose of consciousness research and other "related phenomena".[24][17] "Science and religion have lived on opposite sides of the street now for hundreds of years," Mitchell said toward the end of his life. "So here we are, in the twenty-first century, trying to put two faces of reality—the existence face and the intelligence or conscious face—into the same understanding. Body and mind, physicality and consciousness belong to the same side of reality.[25]
Annie Jacobsen has asserted that Mitchell's Mind Science Institute (a Los Angeles, California-based organization ultimately subsumed by the Institute of Noetic Sciences) was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as a surreptitious conduit for payments to Andrija Puharich and Uri Geller while the latter was evaluated by an SRI International research group (led by Harold E. Puthoff and Russell Targ) in 1972.[26] In 1976, Mitchell attempted to secure additional funding for the SRI group's remote viewing research in a private meeting with Director of Central Intelligence George H. W. Bush. Although Bush demurred (citing post-Watergate investigations of the intelligence community), he suggested the pursuit of military sponsorship, leading to the formation of the Stargate Project in 1978.[27]"
The infamous Wilson Memo was brought up last year during a Congressional hearing about UFOs. Link. This memo purports to have notes taken by Mitchell in speaking to Davis as Davis recapped a conversation with Admiral Thomas Wilson, who was the director of the DIA from 1999 to 2002. Link. In the memo, Davis claims that Wilson told him there was a secret reverse engineering program that had no Congressional oversight whatsoever and that non-human craft were being kept by an outside private defense contractor, among several other claims. Link. Davis has never confirmed the authenticity of this memo and Admiral Wilson has vehemently denied this conversation ever took place and denies knowing Davis. Link. Eric Davis now works in Huntsville, AL at The Aerospace Corporation.
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Part two
Now entering into this story is Tom Delonge, the lead singer for the band Blink-182. Delonge, a UFO enthusiast, founded a group called To the Stars Academy (TTSA), an entertainment company devoted to producing movies, books, etc. about UFOs and also intending to construct their own flying saucer. Link. Delonge claims to have been contacted by individuals within the Pentagon who assured him that UFOs are real, that aliens are among us, that they have been influencing human development and evolution for millennia, and that ET encounters are the basis for many major human religious traditions. Link. TTSA was founded with the help of Puthoff and CIA agent Jim Semivan. Link.
Delonge claimed to have been contacted by a high-ranking general in the Pentagon, a fact which was confirmed by Russian hackers dumping John Podesta's emails onto Wikileaks. Link. In those emails, Delonge references a general McCasland who he says was in charge of the lab at Wright Patterson Airforce base near Dayton Ohio where material from Roswell was taken and studied. Delonge states that McCasland helped Delonge "assemble [his] advisory team" for TTSA. McCasland is still stationed at Wright Patterson Air Force base as Commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory there and has been since 2011 according to his bio. Link. Although it appears that is not actually the case. Link.
It turns out that at least two of the people that Delonge was in contact with were Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon. Elizondo, a counter intelligence specialist, and Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense who is one of the heirs to the massive Mellon fortune, handpicked Leslie Kean to write the 2017 article about AATIP. Kean has stated that Mellon specifically resigned his post at the Pentagon then immediately brought her the photographs and videos and formed the basis of that article. Link. Kean has an intense interest in UFOs and also the afterlife; she regularly attends seances which she states make real contact with spiritual beings that are able to move physical objects.
After resigning their posts in the Pentagon, Elizondo and Mellon became involved in TTSA. Link. In a grand presentation the two revealed photographs and videos taken from the Pentagon which they claimed showed UFOs (I apologize, I cannot find the video for this anymore). One video turned out to be a picture of a balloon that had been flipped upside down. Another, purporting to show an object moving at unbelievable speeds with no visible propulsion, turned out to actually be moving 40mph, the same speed as prevailing winds in the area. Link. There are other videos from the 2017 NY Times article that remain unexplained.
Elizondo has gone on to appear in numerous movies and interviews. Without proof, I imagine he has made a good deal of money off of UFOs. Elizondo left TTSA in 2020. Link.
Following the publication of the 2017 article, Congress responded by requiring the Pentagon to produce a report on UFOs, which it turns out was headed by Jay Stratton and Dr. Travis Taylor. Both Stratton and Taylor are now in the private sector working at Radiance Technologies in Huntsville, AL. Link. Taylor is arguably the star of the History Channel show The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Stratton is set to make several guest appearances on that show in the near future.
In recent events, the US shot down a Chinese spy balloon which featured heavy media attention and released photographs and video of the balloon being shot down and recovered. Link. Shortly thereafter, the US shot down three additional objects, one over Alaska, one over Canada, and another over Michigan. Link. None of these objects have ever been identified and no photos or videos have ever been released of their destruction or recovery.
AATIP has now morphed into the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) after bi-partisan support for increased study of UFOs resulted in a permanent Pentagon program that reports to Congress, headed by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. Dr. Kirkpatrick has testified before Congress that, “I should also state clearly for the record that in our research, AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology or objects that defy the known laws of physics.” Link.
In recent testimony, Kirkpatrick stated that AARO has identified over 600 cases over half of which involve metallic orbs. Link. An example of these orbs can be found here. UFO Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell has also released a video of a similar orb over Iraq. Link.
Another person to note in this story is Dr. Garry Nolan, a noted biologist who says he was contacted by the CIA to study pilots who had come in close contact with UAPs. Link. Nolan claims that extraterrestrials are 100% here and that coming into contact with their craft has led to real world medical complications for those unfortunate enough to do so. Interestingly, Nolan also claims to have witnessed a UFO as a young boy. Link. Apparently, Nolan was initially contacted by Christopher "Kit" Green of the CIA, who also convinced Brandon Fugal to purchase Skinwalker Ranch from Bigelow. Link and Link.
But most recently, David Grusch has come forward claiming that while working with AARO he discovered the existence of a UFO crash retrieval program and that Dr. Kirkpatrick won't return his phone calls about it. Grusch, an intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, claims that numerous officials whom he had known his entire life and respected confided in him that they were part of a UFO retrieval and reverse engineering program, that this program is about 90 years old at least, that the program is not subject to Congressional oversight, that the non-human intelligences (NHI) involved with these craft have at times harmed living humans, and that some of the recovery of these craft include the recovery of NHI pilots. In the interview, Grusch opines that these craft are not strictly extraterrestrial in origin but rather states that they may be co-located with us here on Earth but traverse a higher dimensional plane allowing them to pass through time while remaining in the same physical location on Earth. Link. In other words, Grusch is claiming, based upon conversations with others that he trusts, that UFOs and their operators are in fact time travelers from Earth. Interestingly, many of these same claims were made by Edgar Mitchell. These claims are also made by Hal Puthoff, he calls these creatures "Ultraterrestrials". Link.
It seems to me that these people, Eric Davis, Edgar Mitchell, Robert Bigelow, Tom Delonge, Garry Nolan, Leslie Kean, Brandon Fugal, Travis Taylor, and now David Grusch, are simply being misled. At the heart of every one of these people's contacts stands Hal Puthoff, a former Scientologist and parapsychologist. It would not be the first time that actors within the US government have intentionally misled members of the public regarding UFOs. But what the motive is for such a bizarre string is beyond my imagination. But I will continue to follow it, so I guess the joke's on me.
Now entering into this story is Tom Delonge, the lead singer for the band Blink-182. Delonge, a UFO enthusiast, founded a group called To the Stars Academy (TTSA), an entertainment company devoted to producing movies, books, etc. about UFOs and also intending to construct their own flying saucer. Link. Delonge claims to have been contacted by individuals within the Pentagon who assured him that UFOs are real, that aliens are among us, that they have been influencing human development and evolution for millennia, and that ET encounters are the basis for many major human religious traditions. Link. TTSA was founded with the help of Puthoff and CIA agent Jim Semivan. Link.
Delonge claimed to have been contacted by a high-ranking general in the Pentagon, a fact which was confirmed by Russian hackers dumping John Podesta's emails onto Wikileaks. Link. In those emails, Delonge references a general McCasland who he says was in charge of the lab at Wright Patterson Airforce base near Dayton Ohio where material from Roswell was taken and studied. Delonge states that McCasland helped Delonge "assemble [his] advisory team" for TTSA. McCasland is still stationed at Wright Patterson Air Force base as Commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory there and has been since 2011 according to his bio. Link. Although it appears that is not actually the case. Link.
It turns out that at least two of the people that Delonge was in contact with were Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon. Elizondo, a counter intelligence specialist, and Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense who is one of the heirs to the massive Mellon fortune, handpicked Leslie Kean to write the 2017 article about AATIP. Kean has stated that Mellon specifically resigned his post at the Pentagon then immediately brought her the photographs and videos and formed the basis of that article. Link. Kean has an intense interest in UFOs and also the afterlife; she regularly attends seances which she states make real contact with spiritual beings that are able to move physical objects.
After resigning their posts in the Pentagon, Elizondo and Mellon became involved in TTSA. Link. In a grand presentation the two revealed photographs and videos taken from the Pentagon which they claimed showed UFOs (I apologize, I cannot find the video for this anymore). One video turned out to be a picture of a balloon that had been flipped upside down. Another, purporting to show an object moving at unbelievable speeds with no visible propulsion, turned out to actually be moving 40mph, the same speed as prevailing winds in the area. Link. There are other videos from the 2017 NY Times article that remain unexplained.
Elizondo has gone on to appear in numerous movies and interviews. Without proof, I imagine he has made a good deal of money off of UFOs. Elizondo left TTSA in 2020. Link.
Following the publication of the 2017 article, Congress responded by requiring the Pentagon to produce a report on UFOs, which it turns out was headed by Jay Stratton and Dr. Travis Taylor. Both Stratton and Taylor are now in the private sector working at Radiance Technologies in Huntsville, AL. Link. Taylor is arguably the star of the History Channel show The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Stratton is set to make several guest appearances on that show in the near future.
In recent events, the US shot down a Chinese spy balloon which featured heavy media attention and released photographs and video of the balloon being shot down and recovered. Link. Shortly thereafter, the US shot down three additional objects, one over Alaska, one over Canada, and another over Michigan. Link. None of these objects have ever been identified and no photos or videos have ever been released of their destruction or recovery.
AATIP has now morphed into the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) after bi-partisan support for increased study of UFOs resulted in a permanent Pentagon program that reports to Congress, headed by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. Dr. Kirkpatrick has testified before Congress that, “I should also state clearly for the record that in our research, AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology or objects that defy the known laws of physics.” Link.
In recent testimony, Kirkpatrick stated that AARO has identified over 600 cases over half of which involve metallic orbs. Link. An example of these orbs can be found here. UFO Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell has also released a video of a similar orb over Iraq. Link.
Another person to note in this story is Dr. Garry Nolan, a noted biologist who says he was contacted by the CIA to study pilots who had come in close contact with UAPs. Link. Nolan claims that extraterrestrials are 100% here and that coming into contact with their craft has led to real world medical complications for those unfortunate enough to do so. Interestingly, Nolan also claims to have witnessed a UFO as a young boy. Link. Apparently, Nolan was initially contacted by Christopher "Kit" Green of the CIA, who also convinced Brandon Fugal to purchase Skinwalker Ranch from Bigelow. Link and Link.
But most recently, David Grusch has come forward claiming that while working with AARO he discovered the existence of a UFO crash retrieval program and that Dr. Kirkpatrick won't return his phone calls about it. Grusch, an intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, claims that numerous officials whom he had known his entire life and respected confided in him that they were part of a UFO retrieval and reverse engineering program, that this program is about 90 years old at least, that the program is not subject to Congressional oversight, that the non-human intelligences (NHI) involved with these craft have at times harmed living humans, and that some of the recovery of these craft include the recovery of NHI pilots. In the interview, Grusch opines that these craft are not strictly extraterrestrial in origin but rather states that they may be co-located with us here on Earth but traverse a higher dimensional plane allowing them to pass through time while remaining in the same physical location on Earth. Link. In other words, Grusch is claiming, based upon conversations with others that he trusts, that UFOs and their operators are in fact time travelers from Earth. Interestingly, many of these same claims were made by Edgar Mitchell. These claims are also made by Hal Puthoff, he calls these creatures "Ultraterrestrials". Link.
It seems to me that these people, Eric Davis, Edgar Mitchell, Robert Bigelow, Tom Delonge, Garry Nolan, Leslie Kean, Brandon Fugal, Travis Taylor, and now David Grusch, are simply being misled. At the heart of every one of these people's contacts stands Hal Puthoff, a former Scientologist and parapsychologist. It would not be the first time that actors within the US government have intentionally misled members of the public regarding UFOs. But what the motive is for such a bizarre string is beyond my imagination. But I will continue to follow it, so I guess the joke's on me.
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I tried to edit part two with this but apparently that kicked me over the word limit:
The claim that UFOs are connected to time traveling beings is also the claim made by the people involved with the Rendelsham Forest Incident in the UK in which two US servicemen say they encountered a non-human craft in the woods in England in the 1980s. John Burroughs claims to have been medically damaged by contacting a UFO craft, a claim which was evidently confirmed by the VA when benefits were awarded to him out of that incident after Burroughs' attorney uncovered a British investigation into the incident which confirmed finding high levels of radiation at the alleged site. Link. Another US serviceman involved in the incident claimed to have received visions from the craft indicating they were humans from the future. Link. It is likely in my opinion that this incident is Grusch's basis for saying NHI have harmed modern humans.
Edited again to add to this bottomless rabbit hole.
Grusch claims that the United States obtained a UFO during WW2 which had been recovered by the Italians under Mussolini and that we were tipped off to its existence by the Vatican. Link. According to Grusch, the craft was stored at an Italian airbase near Magenta, which is just outside of Milan. However, I cannot find any proof that there was ever an Italian air force base near Magenta. Link.
The claim that UFOs are connected to time traveling beings is also the claim made by the people involved with the Rendelsham Forest Incident in the UK in which two US servicemen say they encountered a non-human craft in the woods in England in the 1980s. John Burroughs claims to have been medically damaged by contacting a UFO craft, a claim which was evidently confirmed by the VA when benefits were awarded to him out of that incident after Burroughs' attorney uncovered a British investigation into the incident which confirmed finding high levels of radiation at the alleged site. Link. Another US serviceman involved in the incident claimed to have received visions from the craft indicating they were humans from the future. Link. It is likely in my opinion that this incident is Grusch's basis for saying NHI have harmed modern humans.
Edited again to add to this bottomless rabbit hole.
Grusch claims that the United States obtained a UFO during WW2 which had been recovered by the Italians under Mussolini and that we were tipped off to its existence by the Vatican. Link. According to Grusch, the craft was stored at an Italian airbase near Magenta, which is just outside of Milan. However, I cannot find any proof that there was ever an Italian air force base near Magenta. Link.
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Probably a good call.
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If you want to be entertained, here is a good read. Basically a ufo aircraft carrier is under the ocean, in the Bermuda triangle of course, and the aliens are zookeepers watching us and keeping us from destroying ourselves. Kind of a greatest hits take.
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Before or after the lead singer of the band that gave us an album called "Enema of The State" got involved?
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If aliens are trying to keep us from destroying ourselves, they are doing a piss poor fucking job.If you want to be entertained, here is a good read. Basically a ufo aircraft carrier is under the ocean, in the Bermuda triangle of course, and the aliens are zookeepers watching us and keeping us from destroying ourselves. Kind of a greatest hits take.
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that's what they want you to think, man
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Yea but like 99.99 percent of Americans would look at and walk right by an Ivory Billed Woodpecker without thinking to take a picture. At most they might be like, damn big bird, and continue their day.
Nobody isn't trying to get an alien on film.
There are 8 billion people on this planet and counting.
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Hard job for the green suits then
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Coming back to this, I'd highly recommend the National Geographic series on this. After several episodes, it's pretty compelling evidence with plenty of credible witnesses, including regular folk, scientists, military personnel, pilots, etc., and the former Governor of Arizona, who basically made a joke out of a large-scale witness experience while he was governor and then years later while out of office, said that he also witnessed it and is convinced it was extra-terrestial.
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Again, pics or it didn't happen. And not grainy bullshit and weird lights.