Not really, and furthermore, I'm not really interested in doing so, anyway. You seem to actually be taking this stuff seriously. One of the nice things about posting on this board is that I don't really care what any of you young liberals think about anything....so the entire process is merely for entertainment. I'm not interested in a serious discussion with you....or these other young liberals....about anything....and I'm certainly not interested in trying to convert you. Right now, I'm watching the Bristol race and working on my weekly Fantrax lineup before the 7 PM deadline while reading posts on these threads for entertainment. If I was interested in a serious discussion, I would talk to someone like jhmd, whom I respect and whose opinions would be of interest to me.