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St. Bonaventure Game Thread - Deacs win 77-62 off to 9-2 start

DistrictDeacon said:
It's a sad day when meeting expectations at Wake Forest means beating a bunch of scrub teams and finishing near .500 in the ACC, while probably being shut out of the post season. Do we need a new term for the step below LOWF?
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Beating a bunch of scrub teams like we always do in OOC and finishing 0.500 in the ACC likely gets us in the post-season. We'd have 19 wins. Doing slightly better than that (2 more wins?) might get us into the NCAAs and into the top half of the ACC. Do you realize that?
 
DCDeac said:
What if the expectation in year 4 is an NCAA appearance? Is that reasonable?
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Seeing as Wake has been to the NCCA's 14 out of the 20 years pre-BZ, I would say that would be the minimum expectation.
 
pourdeac said:
Beating a bunch of scrub teams like we always do in OOC and finishing 0.500 in the ACC likely gets us in the post-season. We'd have 19 wins. Doing slightly better than that (2 more wins?) might get us into the NCAAs and into the top half of the ACC. Do you realize that?
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I'll need one of the KenPom experts to decree it officially, but 21 wins with this schedule ain't getting us into the Big Dance
 
IrishSlim said:
I'll need one of the KenPom experts to decree it officially, but 21 wins with this schedule ain't getting us into the Big Dance
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We do have a guy on the inside.
 
IrishSlim said:
I'll need one of the KenPom experts to decree it officially, but 21 wins with this schedule ain't getting us into the Big Dance
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That would mean we would have 10 or 11 ACC wins, which would probably make it pretty close. Obviously if we happened to beat Duke or Cuse it would strengthen it.
 
pourdeac said:
Beating a bunch of scrub teams like we always do in OOC and finishing 0.500 in the ACC likely gets us in the post-season. We'd have 19 wins. Doing slightly better than that (2 more wins?) might get us into the NCAAs and into the top half of the ACC. Do you realize that?
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I'll leave it up to those who know the numbers better than I do, but I'm pretty sure its been shown that:

1) Our OOC schedule is significantly easier than in previous years
2) 19 wins would barely put us on the NIT bubble
3) Top half of a 15 team ACC is not something to crow about.
 
If we are discussing who is a good fan, I am actively rooting against this team. That makes me a terrible fan. Jeff [Redacted] needs to GTFO. Especially because I think this group of players, with an elite player added, could be pretty damn good.
 
pourdeac said:
Beating a bunch of scrub teams like we always do in OOC and finishing 0.500 in the ACC likely gets us in the post-season. We'd have 19 wins. Doing slightly better than that (2 more wins?) might get us into the NCAAs and into the top half of the ACC. Do you realize that?
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So, if everything goes really well and we even get a little lucky, we will be back to a "down year" for Wake in Year 4 of the Buzz reign. Do you realize that?
 
Curious. Has any other ACC program ever hired a coach coming off of three straight losing seasons at his previous school?
 
CHillDeac said:
Curious. Has any other ACC program ever hired a coach coming off of three straight losing seasons at his previous school?
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Seems unlikely. The Bzztanic has taken us into uncharted waters.
 
What the hell? Did you PDF your entire diary (Control + F, baby!), or do you really keep a hard copy handy at all times?
 
Is it possible that we could get back to discussing the game without all the petty pissing contest side-shows? Enough is enough guys.
 
TheIshThatSaved WakeForest said:
That would mean we would have 10 or 11 ACC wins, which would probably make it pretty close. Obviously if we happened to beat Duke or Cuse it would strengthen it.
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IrishSlim said:
I'll need one of the KenPom experts to decree it officially, but 21 wins with this schedule ain't getting us into the Big Dance
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Per rpiforecast, a regular season record of 21-10 would have us with an RPI of 53 going into the ACC tournament. Right on the bubble but probably needing one tourney win to get a bid.
 
pourdeac said:
Seriously? Every pre-season prior to Bz when we saw an individual play like that, people talked about it on the boards and got excited, especially a hot and cold player like Travis. Every pre-season prior to Bz we came out of the OOC schedule usually something like 10-2, winning all the cupcakes. Every pre-season prior to Bz we talked about the resiliency of the team when it happened because frankly...Wake teams have a consistent habit of completely folding during the season under every coach I've ever seen and almost annually.

The reaction to this isn't unusual at all, other than it hasn't happened in 3 years. I'm not sure why the bar now has to be way higher.
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10 years prior to buzz. Non-con record, non cupcake wins, Non-con SOS (last two years includes ACC play, couldn't find separate Non-con rank)

09-10: 10-2, @Gonzaga, Xavier, Richmond. SOS-100th
08-09: 13-0, Baylor, @Richmond, @BYU. SOS-265th
07-08: 10-3, BYU. SOS- 303rd
06-07: 9-4, (3 of 4 losses were to top 50 teams, 4th was to #125) Vanderbilt, @Bucknell. SOS-264th.
05-06: 11-2, Wisconsin, Texas Tech. SOS- 250th
04-05: 12-1, Texas, @ New Mexico, @ Temple, Arizona, GW, VCU. SOS-83rd
03-04: 10-1, Cincinatti, Memphis, New Mexico, Indiana. SOS -74th
02-03: 10-1, St. Johns, @Wisconsin, @Richmond. SOS-224th
01-02: 10-4, (all losses to top 70 teams, 2 to top 10 teams) @Arkansas, Fresno State, Minnesota, Marquette, Richmond. Overall SOS- 7th
00-01: 11-1, Kansas, @Temple, @Richmond. Overall SOS-18th

So the bar has always been 10-11 wins with 3+ non cupcake wins against an average SOS of around 180.

Buzz's Non-con schedules have been 305, 283, 286, 322. His overall non-con record prior to this year was 23-18 (one less loss than the 10 years before him) with only 3 non cupcake wins.

This year he is 9-2 with 3 non cupcake wins (I'm being generous with non-cupcake, basically including any team that's within distance of top 100). It's taken him 4 years to get to the bar against the worst non con schedule we've had in a decade. If he gets over the bar by winning the next two he's still scraping against it on the way over.
 
bobknightfan said:
Well, I checked my diary and here are a few things I enjoyed in the 8th grade:

OCT 01 - 1959 White Sox win the 1st game of World Series 11-0 @Comiskey Park against the Los Angeles Dodgers; late-season pickup Ted Kluszewski hits 2 HRs

OCT 10 - 1959 Listened on radio this afternoon as WF scored on a Norm Snead TD pass in the 4th quarter to win 10-7 @Maryland; WF now 3-1 for the year
DEC 29 - 1959 Went to my 2nd Dixie Classic; WF 61 Dayton 50 (23-31 @17:51) @4 PM; Packer 19, Budd 16; UNC beat Duke 75-53 in 9 PM game; Larese 21-21 FTs

DEC 30 - 1959 WF stalled 1st 8 minutes, won Dixie Classic 53-50 vs UNC; 18-18 @half; MVP Billy Packer 17 pts, made 1+1 FT @0:05; spent night @Grandma Talley's

JAN 04 - 1960 Heard WF 77 Clemson 62 @Memorial Coliseum, WF's 6th straight win; Packer 18 pts; Budd 17 pts & 19 rebs; Chappell 15 pts; Ritchie 14 pts

JAN 05 - 1960 Wake Forest jumped all the way to 8th in the AP Poll after winning the Dixie Classic last week

JAN 13 - 1960 Listened to WF easily beat South Carolina 74-53 @Columbia; Len Chappell 17 pts, George Ritchie 14 pts; WF 9-3, 5-1 in ACC

JAN 18 - 1960 Monday; heard WF 84, Tennessee 57 @Memorial Coliseum; Len Chappell 16 pts & 22 rebs; Billy Packer 14 pts; Dave Budd 15 rebs

JAN 19 - 1960 Listened to Wake Forest beat Clemson 83-64 @Winston-Salem; Len Chappell had 26 pts & Dave Budd had 19; WF 11-4 overall & 6-2 in ACC

FEB 03 - 1960 Bo took me to W-S to see WF beat Duke 80-63; WF trailed 39-40 @half; Len Chappell had 27 points & 23 rebounds; had endzone seats near entrance

FEB 06 - 1960 Bo took me to Memorial Coliseum; WF beat Maryland 65-64 on Chappell buzzer shot; 61-64 @1:28; Forte made it 63-64; WF got jump ball @0:07

FEB 11 - 1960 WF won 80-69 @Woollen Gym (game on TV); Wake trailed 35-28 @half; Chappell 22 pts, Ritchie & Hart 16 each; 1st WF win @UNC since '54

FEB 18 - 1960 Listened to WF beat Virginia 106-66 @Winston-Salem; Len Chappell 41 pts & 21 rebs; WF 16-6, 11-2 in ACC
FEB 20 - 1960 WF won 83-64 @Duke in Saturday PM TV game; WF led 36-32 @half; George Ritchie 27 pts, Dave Budd 18 pts & Len Chappell 16 pts

FEB 22 - 1960 Heard WF rout a good Villanova team 89-70 @Memorial Coliseum; WF led 45-28 @half; Billy Packer 26 pts, Dave Budd 21 & Len Chappell 20

FEB 25 - 1960 WF ends regular season 12-2 in ACC with 94-60 win vs St Francis; Billy Packer 19 pts; last home game for Dave Budd & George Ritchie

MAR 03 - 1960 ACC 1st round games were on TV due to snow; Ritchie Nance @our house; we played pool upstairs; WF beat Clemson 74-59 in 2nd game of day

MAR 04 - 1960 Went to ACC Semi-Finals @Raleigh w/Bo & Bill Hasty; WF beat NC State 71-66 after Duke upset UNC 71-69; Dave Budd goaded into fight at end

APR 10 - 1960 Arnold Palmer birdies #17 & #18 to win his 2nd Masters by one shot over Ken Venturi
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This is actually pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing, Bob!
 
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