Hard to argue? I guess. Experience should matter. Yet we've had plenty of players who had better redshirt freshman years than senior years. Without even thinking about it too much, Skinner, Josh Harris, and Okoro come to mind.
Josh Adams.
Hard to argue? I guess. Experience should matter. Yet we've had plenty of players who had better redshirt freshman years than senior years. Without even thinking about it too much, Skinner, Josh Harris, and Okoro come to mind.
I'd agree with both Josh Harris and Josh Adams...not as much with skinner and Okoro who were greatly impacted by the caliber of players supporting them. But the ratio has to be 5:1 or 10:1 who were vastly better their senior years than in the first year they saw the field for Wake. We've pretty much named all of the majority of significant players who declined over time.
Playing all those true freshmen last year was a desperation move. That was Grobe's worst rated class. Did we really expect them to make a real difference? No.
To be clear, this board was highly supportive of yanking redshirts this year, in football. It was only when it didn't produce the extra wins that opinions changed. Shocking, no doubt.
To be clear, this board was highly supportive of yanking redshirts this year, in football. It was only when it didn't produce the extra wins that opinions changed. Shocking, no doubt.
Not sure I can think of any/many players who should have had shirts pulled that were not, Strickland33. To be clear, I don't feel sorry for Grobe in the least though I find the vitriol directed to him absurd beyond belief. Regarding the board being a "melting pot" of different opinions, then why exactly are non majority opinions met with such distaste? To bring them in line with majority opinion, no doubt. And most of our football experts, a loosely used term, supported pulling shirts this year.
Grobe pulled shirts last year because he felt our late season swoons were do to a lack of depth. He said so in September. Pulling Orville shirt for 130 or yards rushing in 2011 was a real waste. I'm glad Bud and KJ will return this year for their fifth. I wish AJ was still around.
Agree with all that. Virtually all of our pulled shirts proved to be wasted. Unless Clawson starts bringing in top 50 classes, I hope the time we play true freshmen is few and far between and based on true need, and not because of a recruiting promise to draw a kid away from Nc State or UNC-C.
This is the second time this week I have to explain that "melting pot" is an assimilation metaphor. I don't think that's at all what you meant to say.
I've been spouting "non-majority opinions" for a long time. People like to defend their viewpoint, especially against viewpoints that imply something is wrong. Recently you've said some just off the wall stuff that nobody will actually defend.
People who support shirts bought into the ravings of a desperate man. Hilariously so. Grobe's whole framework was based on experience. He's blamed youth many many times. Then all of a sudden, the answer is supposed to be youth? C'mon. They were desperate.
I agree completely that playing true frosh the last few years was a bad move. Never said otherwise. As was moving away from the cut block and misdirection offense over the past several years. I just wasn't ready to burn Grobe at the stake for it. But on this board, the only acceptable response is to declare Grobe an incompetent money grabbing fool for every season post 2007. I disagree.
Hardly an oversimplification. You read the post about seeing Grobe at Lowe's Foods? (The least funny thread in board history, FWIW). Or Lobo and MSU?That's not what people were saying. At all. Oversimplifying things to prove a point that nobody supports isn't really helping your case, dillon.
I agree completely that playing true frosh the last few years was a bad move. Never said otherwise. As was moving away from the cut block and misdirection offense over the past several years. I just wasn't ready to burn Grobe at the stake for it. But on this board, the only acceptable response is to declare Grobe an incompetent money grabbing fool for every season post 2007. I disagree.
I did not read through 5 pages of this thread but did he mention if practices will be open to the public? Although I loved that about Grobe I don't think it was the wisest decision.
I have heard that they will be.
He said in the open presser that there will be times he will close practice.