ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
hm, maybe, but the affects of shitty diets may be a more pressing threat to the US than gun violence
hm, maybe, but the affects of shitty diets may be a more pressing threat to the US than gun violence
I'm way out of my depth on this, but it's my understanding that the Indians prized guns for protection and war against other tribes, not because they were looking for more efficient coyote extermination techniques.
Guns don't kill people. Donuts kill people.
That would be an interesting comparison in terms of economic impact. Someone posted a link earlier in the thread about a $175 billion economic loss per year, offset of course by some positive economic aspects of the gun industry. My guess is the shitty diets have a much larger pure economic impact, but you also offset that by shitty food making gobs and gobs of money, dwarfing the gun industry.
Of course, this doesn't take into account the direct negative impact gun culture has on the disadvantaged. And the bystanders who just get shot and murdered. Doesn't really happen with donuts.
har har.
Point is, in the vein of the purpose of this thread, there's a difference between people wanting something and people needing something. If you give someone a gun to scare away/kill a coyote, of course they're going to choose that over a bow. If you give children a choice between eating vegetables or eating donuts, they're picking the donuts. Wrangor points out that people want guns on their farms to scare away predators, but they're not necessary. They're just easy. Who cares if they have horrible yet relatively intangible side effects?
No one is saying that we need guns. We don't. They are useful, however, for a variety of purposes. The question then becomes how we balance the usefulness of guns with their negative side effects.
Do we as a society need to eliminate all gun related deaths? No we don't. However attempting to do so would be beneficial for tons of reasons. The question then becomes how we as a society balance the desire to eliminate gun deaths with other societal values, such as freedom and autonomy.
While eliminating all guns would eliminate all gun related deaths it would also severely limit the freedom of many citizens. The reality is that the farmer who owns a semi-automatic rifle to use for sport, hunting, and protection of his livestock, isn't contributing to the "gun violence epidemic" any more than I am contributing to the obesity epidemic when I go to McDonalds.
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This is among the most mindless, brainwashed drivel gun nuts can possibly use. WOW!!!!
No one can you take you seriously if you are trying tell people the police aren't here to protect you. This is crazy talk.
Thanks for proving how extreme, how brainwashed and how much you suck up to the NRA and their masters of death who fund them you are.
PLEASE let the south secede again! PLEASE!
Taxes would drop dramatically as the rest of us wouldn't have to pay for all those southern mooches any longer.
You could have Indiana and WV too.
Thanks for proving how extreme, how brainwashed and how much you suck up to the NRA and their masters of death who fund them you are.
PLEASE let the south secede again! PLEASE!
Taxes would drop dramatically as the rest of us wouldn't have to pay for all those southern mooches any longer.
You could have Indiana and WV too.
WTF are you talking about?
The states that bitch about "big government" and "states rights" are also the ones that are sucking at the teats of big government and dependent on it. Yet they talk about "personal responsibility" when they have little of their own.
I have no problem helping those who need some help.
That's nonsense.
I'm not bitching. I'm simply stating fact that the states RWers hate actually pay for the RWErs' own states.
townie, here is one of the multitude that dispute your chart:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...tates-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
rj, my chart supports your point and is taken from the exact same data set as the atlantic piece
this marks approximately the fifth time in the last month you've argued against me when i've been arguing your point, or, alternatively, arguing no point at all